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visiting this link again u will find this (not very friendly) user review:

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2.0 out of 5 stars Odd compilation marks an uncertain starting point for new fans and is irrelevant for most others November 4, 2012
By David Goodwin
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In late 2012, the Zappa Family Trust and UMe embarked on an ambitious reissue program for the near-entirety of the Frank Zappa catalog, which involved producing fresh, remastered versions of many of Zappa's core albums. The previous reissue campaign, conducted in 1995, had involved some remastering work, but was generally aimed at collecting Zappa's oeuvre under the Rykodisc insignia. In heralding its 1995 reissues, Rykodisc initially released two "best of" compilations: "Strictly Commercial," a traditional "best of" (featuring a few rarities for the collectors); and "Strictly Genteel," a collection of Zappa's instrumental work. These efforts would later be joined by the two bargain-priced volumes of "Cheap Thrills" and "Have I Offended Someone?", a Zappa-compiled set of his "bluer" material, most of which was substantially reworked. Zappa's family was none too pleased by Ryko's repackaging efforts, and the release of "Strictly Commercial" apparently soured the relationship between the Trust and Ryko, leading to years of frosty relations, lawsuits, and (ultimately) the re-transfer of the catalog to UMe.

It's now November of 2012, and the UMe reissue campaign is mostly over with; the new remasters have been met with justifiable praise, fixing as they do nearly every questionable decision made by Zappa himself when he prepared his catalog for CD in the 1980s and early 1990s. But while reissues of "Mothermania" (a Zappa-compiled set of his work with the original Mothers of Invention, featuring several rarities) and "Have I Offended Someone?" are on the horizon, there's a big gap where "Genteel" and "Commercial" used to be: an overview of his entire catalog, a compilation to entice new listeners into taking a Tour de Frank. In keeping with the Zappa family's hostility towards compilations NOT put together by Frank himself, they've released "Understanding America," a career overview following the loose theme of American politics, culture, and--deviant sexual practices, really. Zappa compiled this set in 1991 and it has been sitting forlorn in the vault ever since. So does it work?

I recognize that not all may agree on this point, but my answer is a resounding "no": I don't think this functions very well as a career overview, theme or no theme, and it simply is not a very good introduction to Zappa's catalog. First, the track selection is really strange, structured as "pseudo-chronological, but with detours." The first ten tracks on Disc 1 are from the original Mothers of Invention (well, sort of; I'll get to that in a second), after which the set takes a quick detour to the 1980s for "We're Turning Again," dips back to the Flo and Eddie era for "Road Ladies" and "What Kind of Girl," then sampling the 1970s "Over-nite Sensation," "Zoot Allures," and "Bongo Fury." Disc 2 keeps one toe in the 1970s with "Can't Afford No Shoes," "I'm the Slime," and "The Central Scrutinizer" (really?), but is otherwise firmly rooted in the 1980s, and centers around "Porn Wars Deluxe," an expanded version of the not-entirely-universally-loved collage from "Mothers of Prevention" which in this version features additional songs in its lengthy running times. Many of the songs here, incidentally, also show up on either "Mothermania" or "Have I Offended Someone?".

In all, around 16 albums are represented, but is "The Central Scrutinizer" the best way to shill Joe's Garage? And the lack of ANYTHING from fan favorites like Apostrophe or Roxy and Elsewhere is just strange. Yes, there's a "theme," but it's extraordinarily loose and if "Dinah Mo Humm" could fit, then surely "Uncle Remus" or "Cheepnis" could, too. Furthremore, did Frank really think that the awful, dated rap of "Promiscuous" was one of the jewels of "Broadway the Hard Way?" Some of the segues are interesting, but they aren't enough to carry the program.

Second, after just having been blessed with some extraordinarily needed upgrades of parts of Zappa's catalog, it's dispiriting to realize that "Understanding America" reverts to the ugly days of old, where Zappa enjoyed layering reverb over everything and over-used his favorite digital devices to ill end. The "Money" tracks, with the exception of the bits from "Porn Wars," all use the much-derided 1980s overdubs; the 1970s albums sound like they were recorded in a cavern; and so on. Several songs, like those from Over-nite Sensation, contain severe audio problems dating to late-1980s mastering efforts that would later be corrected, although it is a small miracle that the songs from "You Are What You Is" and "Tinseltown Rebellion" are missing the truly terrible glitches that plagued most reissues through 1998. Unfortunately, Zappa's over-use of digital compression adversely affects some of the songs that might otherwise function as fan-bait, such as the original mixes of the Man from Utopia tracks which are otherwise hard to obtain on CD.

The TL;DR version: whereas the new reissues could have prompted a "best of" collection showing off the upgraded sound quality, instead we've taken a step backwards. This simply doesn't sound very good. New fans may not care or notice, but after having just spent a great deal of time and energy fixing a lot of the problems in the Zappa catalog, shouldn't the Trust and UMe show off the hard work?

In sum, I can't see this appealing to many people. It's an iffy introduction to Zappa's catalog, playing at times like a home-made, slapped together, proof-of-concept mix tape Frank put together and then justifiably forgot about. It ignores Zappa's instrumental output, is programmed haphazardly, and does not sound very good. It's also kind of ugly, truth be told, and while Zappa's music shows the potential beauty in ugliness, "Understanding America" is on the sloppy side of ugly, not the sublime side. As an entry point for new fans, it may win some, but it's not the precision strike it could have been. As a piece for collectors, it depends entirely on whether the idea of a deluxe "Porn Wars" is worth $20, as the other collectable tracks can be found elsewhere. Everyone else can safely give this a wide berth; there are better compilations available.

In other words: Do u love it, do u hate it, that's the way FZ made it!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:25 pm 
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If Understanding America is official release #93, which one is #92? Carnegie Hall is #91 so I'm confused. Sorry if this is a dumb question. Thanks for any help.
My guess is that Road Tapes Venue 1 will be #92.
I'm guessing Road Tapes would be numbered separately, but who knows. Are the Joes Domage type stuff numbered? I never bought them. yet.
For example, Joe's Menage is #84. Everything the ZFT has released has unique release numbers. Compilations, like LSO 1 & 2, just have the release numbers, #38 & #48, of the two original separate releases.

What has always confused me is why the Old Masters have their own release numbers, given they are just bunches of remasters.

Anyway, my money's on the guess that Road Tapes #1 is release #92.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:26 pm 
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WalkerJWalker wrote:

visiting this link again u will find this (not very friendly) user review:

7 of 7 people found the following review helpful
2.0 out of 5 stars Odd compilation marks an uncertain starting point for new fans and is irrelevant for most others November 4, 2012
By David Goodwin
Format:Audio CD
In late 2012, the Zappa Family Trust and UMe embarked on an ambitious reissue program for the near-entirety of the Frank Zappa catalog, which involved producing fresh, remastered versions of many of Zappa's core albums. The previous reissue campaign, conducted in 1995, had involved some remastering work, but was generally aimed at collecting Zappa's oeuvre under the Rykodisc insignia. In heralding its 1995 reissues, Rykodisc initially released two "best of" compilations: "Strictly Commercial," a traditional "best of" (featuring a few rarities for the collectors); and "Strictly Genteel," a collection of Zappa's instrumental work. These efforts would later be joined by the two bargain-priced volumes of "Cheap Thrills" and "Have I Offended Someone?", a Zappa-compiled set of his "bluer" material, most of which was substantially reworked. Zappa's family was none too pleased by Ryko's repackaging efforts, and the release of "Strictly Commercial" apparently soured the relationship between the Trust and Ryko, leading to years of frosty relations, lawsuits, and (ultimately) the re-transfer of the catalog to UMe.

It's now November of 2012, and the UMe reissue campaign is mostly over with; the new remasters have been met with justifiable praise, fixing as they do nearly every questionable decision made by Zappa himself when he prepared his catalog for CD in the 1980s and early 1990s. But while reissues of "Mothermania" (a Zappa-compiled set of his work with the original Mothers of Invention, featuring several rarities) and "Have I Offended Someone?" are on the horizon, there's a big gap where "Genteel" and "Commercial" used to be: an overview of his entire catalog, a compilation to entice new listeners into taking a Tour de Frank. In keeping with the Zappa family's hostility towards compilations NOT put together by Frank himself, they've released "Understanding America," a career overview following the loose theme of American politics, culture, and--deviant sexual practices, really. Zappa compiled this set in 1991 and it has been sitting forlorn in the vault ever since. So does it work?

I recognize that not all may agree on this point, but my answer is a resounding "no": I don't think this functions very well as a career overview, theme or no theme, and it simply is not a very good introduction to Zappa's catalog. First, the track selection is really strange, structured as "pseudo-chronological, but with detours." The first ten tracks on Disc 1 are from the original Mothers of Invention (well, sort of; I'll get to that in a second), after which the set takes a quick detour to the 1980s for "We're Turning Again," dips back to the Flo and Eddie era for "Road Ladies" and "What Kind of Girl," then sampling the 1970s "Over-nite Sensation," "Zoot Allures," and "Bongo Fury." Disc 2 keeps one toe in the 1970s with "Can't Afford No Shoes," "I'm the Slime," and "The Central Scrutinizer" (really?), but is otherwise firmly rooted in the 1980s, and centers around "Porn Wars Deluxe," an expanded version of the not-entirely-universally-loved collage from "Mothers of Prevention" which in this version features additional songs in its lengthy running times. Many of the songs here, incidentally, also show up on either "Mothermania" or "Have I Offended Someone?".

In all, around 16 albums are represented, but is "The Central Scrutinizer" the best way to shill Joe's Garage? And the lack of ANYTHING from fan favorites like Apostrophe or Roxy and Elsewhere is just strange. Yes, there's a "theme," but it's extraordinarily loose and if "Dinah Mo Humm" could fit, then surely "Uncle Remus" or "Cheepnis" could, too. Furthremore, did Frank really think that the awful, dated rap of "Promiscuous" was one of the jewels of "Broadway the Hard Way?" Some of the segues are interesting, but they aren't enough to carry the program.

Second, after just having been blessed with some extraordinarily needed upgrades of parts of Zappa's catalog, it's dispiriting to realize that "Understanding America" reverts to the ugly days of old, where Zappa enjoyed layering reverb over everything and over-used his favorite digital devices to ill end. The "Money" tracks, with the exception of the bits from "Porn Wars," all use the much-derided 1980s overdubs; the 1970s albums sound like they were recorded in a cavern; and so on. Several songs, like those from Over-nite Sensation, contain severe audio problems dating to late-1980s mastering efforts that would later be corrected, although it is a small miracle that the songs from "You Are What You Is" and "Tinseltown Rebellion" are missing the truly terrible glitches that plagued most reissues through 1998. Unfortunately, Zappa's over-use of digital compression adversely affects some of the songs that might otherwise function as fan-bait, such as the original mixes of the Man from Utopia tracks which are otherwise hard to obtain on CD.

The TL;DR version: whereas the new reissues could have prompted a "best of" collection showing off the upgraded sound quality, instead we've taken a step backwards. This simply doesn't sound very good. New fans may not care or notice, but after having just spent a great deal of time and energy fixing a lot of the problems in the Zappa catalog, shouldn't the Trust and UMe show off the hard work?

In sum, I can't see this appealing to many people. It's an iffy introduction to Zappa's catalog, playing at times like a home-made, slapped together, proof-of-concept mix tape Frank put together and then justifiably forgot about. It ignores Zappa's instrumental output, is programmed haphazardly, and does not sound very good. It's also kind of ugly, truth be told, and while Zappa's music shows the potential beauty in ugliness, "Understanding America" is on the sloppy side of ugly, not the sublime side. As an entry point for new fans, it may win some, but it's not the precision strike it could have been. As a piece for collectors, it depends entirely on whether the idea of a deluxe "Porn Wars" is worth $20, as the other collectable tracks can be found elsewhere. Everyone else can safely give this a wide berth; there are better compilations available.

In other words: Do u love it, do u hate it, that's the way FZ made it!


Note the name of the reviewer. He runs the Zappa Patio website.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:37 pm 
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That review sums it up perfectly for me, and is why I won't be buying it. I never bothered with Strictly Genteel/Commercial or any of the Cheap Thrills comps either. HIOS? is the only worthwhile posthumous compilation.


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Ruz-El wrote:
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If Understanding America is official release #93, which one is #92? Carnegie Hall is #91 so I'm confused. Sorry if this is a dumb question. Thanks for any help.


My guess is that Road Tapes Venue 1 will be #92.


I'm guessing Road Tapes would be numbered separately, but who knows. Are the Joes Domage type stuff numbered? I never bought them. yet.


Yes and Joe's Corsage was #72.

The out of sequence number thing has happened before, I can't remember the exact two releases, but one was supposed to come out first, got delayed and came out after, but was still numbered before.

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Well, even "new" track Porn Wars Deluxe seems to be Porn Wars with bits of another FZ songs added. Sort of "compilation deluxe".


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It was compiled by FZ, that's good enough for me.


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It was compiled by FZ, that's good enough for me.
For better or worse, this is the point. [/bitching]

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Got it and I am listening at work, so the sonic differences aren't obvious. The review is pretty damning, and hard to argue with.

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November 1st, I received the e mail from Zappa.com advertising Understanding America. With a dry mouth I clicked on the link which took me to i tunes, but as it was i tunes USA I could not purchase the download....Thanks Gail.

i tunes NZ (No Zappa) didn't have it up yet........so I have ordered the cd from Amazon.

I would prefer to directly support ZFT but I had already received 36 of the 2012 re releases through Amazon, before they were even listed on Barfko.

I have pre ordered the Road Tapes cd from the Barfees, but you could have had all my money instead of just a cut. Maybe ZFT need to get Big Swifty and Associates to run thier shit, the current regime isn't doing them any favours

PS The only reason I got a fucking i tunes account in the first place was for the FZ birthday bundles


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I never understood the hatred for Strictly Commercial - it's a cool selection of tunes with liner notes by Terry Gilliam. It's probably attracted more youngsters to Zappa than ZPZ ever will. UA? I pass.

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I never understood the hatred for Strictly Commercial - it's a cool selection of tunes with liner notes by Terry Gilliam. It's probably attracted more youngsters to Zappa than ZPZ ever will.


Strictly Commercial was the 3rd Zappa cd that I bought after Apostrophe (') and Sheik Yerbouti. It was my gateway to the Zappa universe and guide as to which cds to buy thereafter.


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I never understood the hatred for Strictly Commercial - it's a cool selection of tunes with liner notes by Terry Gilliam. It's probably attracted more youngsters to Zappa than ZPZ ever will.


Strictly Commercial was the 3rd Zappa cd that I bought after Apostrophe (') and Sheik Yerbouti. It was my gateway to the Zappa universe and guide as to which cds to buy thereafter.


For me "Strictly Commercial" was the 2nd Zappa I heard, after "Tinseltown Rebellion". Some years later I had every Zappa-Album 8)

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IMHO the program works pretty good as a compilation. The new combination of the well known material is often funny and surprising. Especially disc2 has a very appealing buildup that leads towards porn wars. The central scrutinizer says "Hi, it's me, I'm back" that segues directly into "The reason for this hearing...". The only new material on porn wars is mostly spoken words stuff by the guest vocalists of the MOP album, nothing new by the piano people. There is also a longer statement by a woman (Tipper Gore?) that apparently was the source for samples like fire-and-chains or outrageous-filth. The only musical new stuff that i noticed is a little bit expansion of the maybe-i-could-make-a-good-rock-star frenzy. I guess this as unused material from the original version, obviously FZ didn't switch on his synclavier again for the deluxe version. The new vocal sections are mostly pretty comprehensive (=boring?), lasting for minutes. The musical excerpts in contrast often pop up only for a relative short time, especially the mothers material. IMHO the creative value of the album/porn wars is the way in which the elements are assembled together to build new connections and associations. In this term it has the same handwriting as the YCDTOSA-series.

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The "fire-and-chains" quote is from Senator Paula Hawkins (R-FL) in reference to a Wendy O. Williams album cover. Also: "'Pyromania'. No question. Burn a building. Burn, burn, burn."


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For me "Strictly Commercial" was the 2nd Zappa I heard, after "Tinseltown Rebellion". Some years later I had every Zappa-Album 8)

And so the answer to "who has all the money in Europe" is solved...!


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I never understood the hatred for Strictly Commercial - it's a cool selection of tunes ...

same with both cheap thrills, interesting selection, and prompted me to finally break down & start buying the ycdtosa series

cheap thrills/soct compiled by david greenberg/the original joe black, a respectable effort, whoever they are, & proves it doesn't have to be compiled by zappa to work ... still on the fence for ua

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weird that FZ cut out the end solo in I'm The Slime but the transition into BIMV works

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I'm a little bit dumb but noticed anyway: The drum roll that originally opens bow tie daddy is used as bridge between mom & dad and it can't happen here.

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The post office seems to have lost my copy. They have it listed as "Delivered" on their website, but I still don't have it. Not happy. :evil:


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Am I the only one getting bored by people and their "order", "delivery" and "shopping" stories?

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The post office seems to have lost my copy. They have it listed as "Delivered" on their website, but I still don't have it. Not happy. :evil:


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The post office seems to have lost my copy. They have it listed as "Delivered" on their website, but I still don't have it. Not happy. :evil:


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The post office seems to have lost my copy. They have it listed as "Delivered" on their website, but I still don't have it. Not happy. :evil:


go there with an UZI and kill them all


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