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Ron Paul "exit" interview...

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This video is not for SPACEBROTHER:

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So I'm watching this video, then catch something very interesting that Ron Paul says that completely supports my reason for starting this thread...when the interviewer asks Ron Paul about his views on the state of the Republican party and whether he considered running as an independant in 2012, he goes on to say that both parties are dinosaurs and that Independants can't get on the ballot. If Ron Paul was a real man of principal, he wouldn't have compromised his own by being a Republican instead of an Independant, just out of convenience so he could get on tickets. Ron Paul is just another of the same old crooked politians, just like the rest of 'em, who'll sell his soul just to get votes.

Oh yeah...plus he wants to force women into having unwanted pregnancies...aka fascism.


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131,393,990 people voted in the 2008 US Presidential Election (69,498,215 ~ Obama vs. 59,948,240 ~ McCain).

127,835,270 people voted in the 2012 US Presidential Election (65,061,993 ~ Obama vs. 60,551,798 ~ Romney).


These numbers make my point exactly, we know that 5 million or more people were disenfranchised in 13 states that Republicans suppressed the vote (probably more and most voted in 2008), we also know according to the "Pauly's Want a Cracker" that as many as 5 million of them did not vote (probably more according to them and most voted in 2008)

Now we will use arithmetic:

Down 4 million in 2012, less 10 million in disenfranchised and cry baby's, net gain 6 million new voters (this is probably a low estimate)

Get Out the Vote rocked it!...They are the winner!winner! Chicken Dinner... :smoke:


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If Obama hadn't issued Obama Phones and had been truthful beforehand to the American public about the upcoming Fiscal Cliff, imminently-bursting Treasury Bubble and US dollar crash, the results might have been very different. Whereas, the Republican vote slightly increased this year from where it was in 2008...



Obama phones in relation to fiscal cliff? Are you fucking high? :P


The economic bubble burst in 2006 before Obama even announced that he was running. Shee-it...Republicans controlled the entire government when that happened. Gawd.. I hate debating with imbeciles. Put down the fricken bong Isaac Boy and get a job.


The only people holding up our insurance from falling off of the "fiscal cliff", as it has been since 2001, when the Bush tax cuts were first implemented, are Republicans who have their cocks in Grover Norquists anus now-a--days. No brainer knack for the obvious.


EARTH TO MORON:

Wtf is the economic bubble?!

And NOWHERE did I say that Obama Phones are in relation to the Fiscal Cliff. You can't comprehend shit.

The Housing Bubble burst in 2008 and was created nearly 10 years before that. But when asked about it between 2005-2007 Ben Bernanke (Chairman of the Fed) and other economists and financial experts said it didn't even exist. Whereas, Ron Paul and Peter Schiff were one of the few who predicted it. In fact, other economists and financial experts were literally laughing at Ron & Peter for even stating that it existed. And of course the Republicans were partly to blame for it, but apart from the financial institutions being the primary culprits, Bill Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, which opened the flood-gates for this activity.

As a result, this so-called Fiscal Cliff (how to deal with Bush's tax cuts which end Dec. 31), the imminently-bursting Treasury Bubble and USD collapse could've/should've been dealt with by the Obama administration YEARS AGO and is almost entirely their fault since they've allowed:

~ the Fed to indefinitely print $40 Billion quarterly
~ the debt to grow to $16 TRILLION - $6 TRILLION of that is Obama's contribution and is more than ANY other US President has added to the debt...EVER
~ the manipulation of interest and inflation rates in order to offset the above

Also, the US' creditors are starting to shit bricks right now because they're finally realizing that the US won't be capable of paying off their debt. So once the lending stops, it's going to get nasty, especially since the ARTIFICIAL growth created by the above that disguises itself as ACTUAL growth, makes people think the economy is getting better, when it's not. Which is also the ONLY reasons behind why the unemployment rates are now slightly better than they were 4 years ago...


You're only now hearing about the Fiscal Cliff, imminently-bursting Treasury Bubble and USD collapse because most of the mainstream media are liberal bias and are only now FINALLY and conveniently discussing it. And Obama's re-election may have strictly depended on the American public's ignorance regarding these issues.

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The only logical explanation for the anti-Obamaists are that they are all racists who can't stand that a black man has proven himself to be a far superior leader than every chump they've had running for about 150 years. Did they stop teaching American history since I was in high school in the 1980s, or are all people who are full on dedicated Republican voters just stupid racists now-a-days?


You are one stupid motherfucker.

And if I was an American, I'm someone who would almost never vote Republican. Because while I'm fiscally conservative, I'm more socially liberal when it comes to personal beliefs.

SonofSuzyCreamcheese wrote:
Are you still arguing over this shit?

I'm from "socialist" Sweden by the way, and we're doing fine! :smoke:


Then you're obviously not a socialist country.

tweedle-dumb wrote:
A rope leash wrote:



So I'm watching this video, then catch something very interesting that Ron Paul says that completely supports my reason for starting this thread...when the interviewer asks Ron Paul about his views on the state of the Republican party and whether he considered running as an independant in 2012, he goes on to say that both parties are dinosaurs and that Independants can't get on the ballot. If Ron Paul was a real man of principal, he wouldn't have compromised his own by being a Republican instead of an Independant, just out of convenience so he could get on tickets. Ron Paul is just another of the same old crooked politians, just like the rest of 'em, who'll sell his soul just to get votes.


Ron Paul has NEVER been tied to ONE party since his platform is too vast. His support base is comprised of Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Independents, etc. However, he's primarily a Libertarian. In this context, changing parties has NOTHING to do with compromising his ideals. It's has to do with strategy since RP would've NEVER gotten to the support levels he's reached over the past several years running Libertarian or Independent... :roll:

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Oh yeah...plus he wants to force women into having unwanted pregnancies...aka fascism.


Definitely not. He wants abortion at the state level. This means there would still be OPTIONS. And realistically, only the Bible Belt states would vote in favor of it. This is actually one of the few things I disagree with him on. But I understand where he's coming from since he's delivered 4,000 babies and has seen a SHITLOAD of abortions.

We've been over this COUNTLESS TIMES. :roll:

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Disco Boy wrote:
131,393,990 people voted in the 2008 US Presidential Election (69,498,215 ~ Obama vs. 59,948,240 ~ McCain).

127,835,270 people voted in the 2012 US Presidential Election (65,061,993 ~ Obama vs. 60,551,798 ~ Romney).


These numbers make my point exactly, we know that 5 million or more people were disenfranchised in 13 states that Republicans suppressed the vote (probably more and most voted in 2008), we also know according to the "Pauly's Want a Cracker" that as many as 5 million of them did not vote (probably more according to them and most voted in 2008)

Now we will use arithmetic:

Down 4 million in 2012, less 10 million in disenfranchised and cry baby's, net gain 6 million new voters (this is probably a low estimate)

Get Out the Vote rocked it!...They are the winner!winner! Chicken Dinner... :smoke:


The fuck?!
You need to take an arithmetic course and fast... :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:21 am 
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Disco Boy wrote:

SonofSuzyCreamcheese wrote:
Are you still arguing over this shit?

I'm from "socialist" Sweden by the way, and we're doing fine! :smoke:


Then you're obviously not a socialist country.

According to many americans, we are.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a ... rome-pt--1

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:42 am 
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The fuck?!
You need to take an arithmetic course and fast... :roll:


We have found your weekness, if you can't do that equation your either lying or your pencil isn't as sharp as you think it is... :smoke:

Anyway good for those tireless workers that get out the vote, good job... :!:


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SonofSuzyCreamcheese wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:

SonofSuzyCreamcheese wrote:
Are you still arguing over this shit?

I'm from "socialist" Sweden by the way, and we're doing fine! :smoke:


Then you're obviously not a socialist country.

According to many americans, we are.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a ... rome-pt--1


Not if capitalism is established...

tweedle-dee wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
The fuck?!
You need to take an arithmetic course and fast... :roll:


We have found your weekness, if you can't do that equation your either lying or your pencil isn't as sharp as you think it is... :smoke:

Anyway good for those tireless workers that get out the vote, good job... :!:


Or maybe even a course in logic...

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this horse has laid down and died. i think we can stop flogging it...


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:03 am 
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this horse has laid down and died. i think we can stop flogging it...


I've been saying that for over 20 pages now but the forum RonPaulMonger can't bring himself to let it go.


Earth to Isaac Boy, the election has been over for a month now, and the primaries ended several months ago. Time to let Ron Paul go. He's not coming back.


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tweedle-dumb wrote:
Uncle Bernie wrote:
this horse has laid down and died. i think we can stop flogging it...


I've been saying that for over 20 pages now but the forum RonPaulMonger can't bring himself to let it go.


Earth to Isaac Boy, the election has been over for a month now, and the primaries ended several months ago. Time to let Ron Paul go. He's not coming back.


In case you two love birds haven't noticed, this thread isn't strictly about Ron Paul as a candidate for the 2012 US Presidency, it's about Ron Paul in general. But then again, since you two are probably THE most ignorant posters on this forum when it comes to RP knowledge, it doesn't surprise me at all that you haven't figured that out...

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Uncle Bernie wrote:
this horse has laid down and died. i think we can stop flogging it...


I've been saying that for over 20 pages now but the forum RonPaulMonger can't bring himself to let it go.


Earth to Isaac Boy, the election has been over for a month now, and the primaries ended several months ago. Time to let Ron Paul go. He's not coming back.


Ron Paul may be "dead" but Rand is still going strong and our old friend Glenn Beck loves him, too!

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/29/ran ... -one-left/

So hide away with your guns, gold (purchased from Goldline, of course),years of food supplies, with your ear pressed to the internet, awaiting for Glenn to proclaim the coming of Rand!

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Disco Boy wrote:
tweedle-dumb wrote:
Uncle Bernie wrote:
this horse has laid down and died. i think we can stop flogging it...


I've been saying that for over 20 pages now but the forum RonPaulMonger can't bring himself to let it go.


Earth to Isaac Boy, the election has been over for a month now, and the primaries ended several months ago. Time to let Ron Paul go. He's not coming back.


In case you two love birds haven't noticed, this thread isn't strictly about Ron Paul as a candidate for the 2012 US Presidency, it's about Ron Paul in general. But then again, since you two are probably THE most ignorant posters on this forum when it comes to RP knowledge, it doesn't surprise me at all that you haven't figured that out...


drop dead, you fuckwit


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Ron Paul may be "dead" but Rand is still going strong and our old friend Glenn Beck loves him, too!

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/29/ran ... -one-left/

So hide away with your guns, gold (purchased from Goldline, of course),years of food supplies, with your ear pressed to the internet, awaiting for Glenn to proclaim the coming of Rand!


Rand and Ron Paul do NOT have the same platform. So comparing them is more than ridiculous. :roll:

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Disco Boy wrote:
In case you two love birds haven't noticed, this thread isn't strictly about Ron Paul as a candidate for the 2012 US Presidency, it's about Ron Paul in general. But then again, since you two are probably THE most ignorant posters on this forum when it comes to RP knowledge, it doesn't surprise me at all that you haven't figured that out...


drop dead, you fuckwit


Like I said, your EXTREME ignorance doesn't surprise me...

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Rand and Ron Paul do NOT have the same platform. So comparing them is more than ridiculous. :roll:



Well, apart from the fact that one is the son of the other and they have physically shared the same platform on numerous occassions....

- Ron Paul stated that when Rand was thinking of running as senator: "Should Senator Bunning decide not to run, I think Rand would make a great U.S. Senator."

- Rand also campaigned for his father before endorsing Romney. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN4FI-tWZj0. Even when he endorsed Romney he said: “You know, my first choice had always been my father. I campaigned for him when I was 11 years old. He's still my first pick. But you know, now that the nominating process is over, I'm happy to announce that I'm going to be supporting Governor Romney.” After Rand endorsed Romney, Jack Hunter, who was part of Ron Paul's campaign team up to the bitter end made a long video defending Rand's decision, indicating that this was part of a long-term Paul strategy to take power in 2016. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERI52UndhE4. As Hunter, a close aide of Ron Paul points out, the difference between Ron and Rand is one of "...perception not of philosophy". He also states that Rand "is very much his father's son" and points to Rand's voting record as proof.

On the issues, I might add some examples...

- Rand's position on abortion is identical to his father's.

- His position on economics is highly similar e.g both opposed the bailouts, both challenge the federal reserve's control of the money supply and interest rates. Rand also endorsed the Federal Reserve Transparency Act, a bill, introduced by his father.

- Like his father, Rand opposes government involvement in health care.

- On the legalization of marijuana their positions appear highly similar.

- Like his father, Rand says he would have voted against military intervention in Iraq . He has, admittedly, taken up slightly more bellicose positions at times, stating for instance that U.S. Middle East policy is "killing more terrorists than it creates."

-I was also unable to find one instance of where one had made critical remarks about the other.

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Hey, Disco Dork. I don't see where you come off calling Obama a Socialist. Up until the Reagan era, Obama would have been branded a liberal Republican. There's certainly nothing socialist about Obamacare. Obama went to bed with Romney and a herd of insurance executives to come up with that fascist abomination. Too bad there weren't any cameras in the room to record their Crisco party.


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Caputh wrote:
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Rand and Ron Paul do NOT have the same platform. So comparing them is more than ridiculous. :roll:



Well, apart from the fact that one is the son of the other and they have physically shared the same platform on numerous occassions....

- Ron Paul stated that when Rand was thinking of running as senator: "Should Senator Bunning decide not to run, I think Rand would make a great U.S. Senator."

- Rand also campaigned for his father before endorsing Romney. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN4FI-tWZj0. Even when he endorsed Romney he said: “You know, my first choice had always been my father. I campaigned for him when I was 11 years old. He's still my first pick. But you know, now that the nominating process is over, I'm happy to announce that I'm going to be supporting Governor Romney.” After Rand endorsed Romney, Jack Hunter, who was part of Ron Paul's campaign team up to the bitter end made a long video defending Rand's decision, indicating that this was part of a long-term Paul strategy to take power in 2016. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERI52UndhE4. As Hunter, a close aide of Ron Paul points out, the difference between Ron and Rand is one of "...perception not of philosophy". He also states that Rand "is very much his father's son" and points to Rand's voting record as proof.

On the issues, I might add some examples...

- Rand's position on abortion is identical to his father's.

- His position on economics is highly similar e.g both opposed the bailouts, both challenge the federal reserve's control of the money supply and interest rates. Rand also endorsed the Federal Reserve Transparency Act, a bill, introduced by his father.

- Like his father, Rand opposes government involvement in health care.

- On the legalization of marijuana their positions appear highly similar.

- Like his father, Rand says he would have voted against military intervention in Iraq . He has, admittedly, taken up slightly more bellicose positions at times, stating for instance that U.S. Middle East policy is "killing more terrorists than it creates."

-I was also unable to find one instance of where one had made critical remarks about the other.


Here you go AGAIN, blurring the lines.

First of all, Rand hasn't even decided whether or not he's going to run for the 2016 US Presidency AND Ron and Rand haven't even discussed that either. So, taking Hunter's word for it is ridiculous. Secondly, Rand endorsed Romney, whereas Ron NEVER did that, nor would he of done that. And thirdly, NOTHING you've stated detracts from my statement above when I said:

Rand and Ron Paul do NOT have the same platform. So comparing them is more than ridiculous. :roll:

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Hey, Disco Dork. I don't see where you come off calling Obama a Socialist. Up until the Reagan era, Obama would have been branded a liberal Republican. There's certainly nothing socialist about Obamacare. Obama went to bed with Romney and a herd of insurance executives to come up with that fascist abomination. Too bad there weren't any cameras in the room to record their Crisco party.


Hey, Pope Jack-Off. Obamacare is neck-deep in socialist policy. And I hate to break it to you but Socialism IS Fascism. And Obama is DEFINITELY a socialist. And if you still don't think so, here's a summary that I posted towards the middle of this page, with a few added comments:


Obama like a 18 year old at a shopping mall who thinks his CC doesn't have a credit limit.


The Housing Bubble burst in 2008 and was created nearly 10 years before that. But when asked about it between 2005-2007 Ben Bernanke (Chairman of the Fed) and other economists and financial experts said it didn't even exist. Whereas, 10 years ago, Ron Paul and Peter Schiff were one of the few who predicted it. In fact, other economists and financial experts were literally laughing at Ron & Peter for even stating that it existed. And of course the Republicans were partly to blame for it, but apart from the financial institutions being the primary culprits, Bill Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999, which opened the flood-gates for this activity.

As a result, this so-called Fiscal Cliff (how to deal with Bush's tax cuts which end Dec. 31), the imminently-bursting Treasury Bubble and USD collapse could've/should've been dealt with by the Obama administration YEARS AGO and is almost entirely their fault since they've allowed:

~ the Fed to indefinitely print $40 Billion quarterly
~ the debt to grow to $16 TRILLION - $6 TRILLION of that is Obama's contribution and is more than ANY other US President has added to the debt...EVER
~ the manipulation of interest and inflation rates in order to offset the above

Also, the US' creditors are starting to shit bricks right now because they're finally realizing that the US won't be capable of paying off their debt. So once the lending stops and every other related activity falls on its ass, it's going to get nasty and is going to make the Housing Bubble crisis that we're STILL enduring look like a CAKE WALK. Especially since the ARTIFICIAL growth created by the above that disguises itself as ACTUAL growth, makes people think the economy is getting better, when it's not. Which is also the ONLY reasons behind why the unemployment rates are now slightly better than they were 4 years ago...


You're only now hearing about the Fiscal Cliff, imminently-bursting Treasury Bubble and USD collapse because most of the mainstream media are liberal bias and are only now FINALLY and conveniently discussing it. And Obama's re-election may have strictly depended on the American public's ignorance regarding these issues (and issuing Obama Phones)...

You economically IGNORANT Americans re-elected a President who initially campaigned with a liberal platform in 2008 but instead deceived Americans and has clearly displayed over the past 4 years that he's a socialist. So, America, you want socialism? You got it!


Greece or Spain, anyone?


In 5...4...3...2...


I know FACTS are difficult things to comprehend. But you're BLIND if you can't see this...

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And I hate to break it to you but Socialism IS Fascism.


WRONG try again.

Definition of FASCISM - often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition .

fascism noun (Concise Encyclopedia) - Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent. Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and '30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems. The leaders of the fascist governments of Italy (1922–43), Germany (1933–45), and Spain (1939–75)—Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Franco—were portrayed to their publics as embodiments of the strength and resolve necessary to rescue their nations from political and economic chaos. Japanese fascists (1936–45) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and taught subordination to the state and personal sacrifice.

- dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

VERSUS

socialism noun (Merriam Webster) - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

- political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

- movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers


Fascism is more of an antonym of socialism. Yet again, Isaac Boy gets it wrong, as usual.


In addition to being an asshole, a dumbass and a liar, Isaac Boy is a racist.


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And I hate to break it to you but Socialism IS Fascism.


WRONG try again.

Definition of FASCISM - often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition .

fascism noun (Concise Encyclopedia) - Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent. Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and '30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems. The leaders of the fascist governments of Italy (1922–43), Germany (1933–45), and Spain (1939–75)—Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Franco—were portrayed to their publics as embodiments of the strength and resolve necessary to rescue their nations from political and economic chaos. Japanese fascists (1936–45) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and taught subordination to the state and personal sacrifice.

- dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

VERSUS

socialism noun (Merriam Webster) - any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

- political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

- movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers


Fascism is more of an antonym of socialism. Yet again, Isaac Boy gets it wrong, as usual.


In addition to being an asshole, a dumbass and a liar, Isaac Boy is a racist.


Well, you got the definition of Fascism correct. But that's a very "safe" and "family friendly" definition of Socialism (aka Communism-lite), isn't it?

You must've skipped history in school. So, here's a few history lessons for ya...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

If you need more, let me know. I'm always glad to help out.


And because of those libellous comments, you can go FUCK YOURSELF now... :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:53 am 
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So me comparing Ron and Rand Paul is ridiculous, whereas DB making, on the face it, the slightly sweeping statement that fascism and socialism are the same is reasonable political/historical analysis? Actually, this question was debated by historians in Germany in the 70s and 80s and it did turn out that those who historians who were keen on making the comparison were a bit, er, on the extremely right wing of politics and were usually attempting the comparison to play down the crimes committed by the Nazis e.g. Nolte. In general, his views have been rejected by most modern historians.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Nolte

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:34 am 
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Fascism has a dose of fervent nationalism about it. People are seen to be almost cheering their enslavement, mostly due to some mal-education on the part of the fascist controllers or dictators..

Socialism is more of a charitable economic system that everyone grudgingly goes along with. It usually has a "meh..." attitude.

A socialist society may have an elected government or a benevolent dictator. When the dictator is charming and popular, it tends toward fascism.

The USA has a blind fascism, based on ideals of freedom and ideas of American exceptionalism. Americans cannot see who the real enslavers are, but they are belligerently loyal to the flag. "America" kicks everyone's ass, so don't fuck with America. "America right-or-wrong" becomes the mantra, and the people become unwittingly accepting of their true owner's greed and voraciousness.

I declare America a fascist-capitalist republic. Any time the people's money is used by an elite mega-minority to bailout fat-cats, it's time to figure it out and face it. pResidents don't mean shit...they're only there by the whim of big-time money in a role designed to make you think you are free and secure.


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Reminds me of King Missile...

America totally kicks ass. Strongest nation on Earth. Nobody can kick our ass. Nobody can intimidate us, because we don't give a fuck. We are motherfucking hard like a gangsta with a nine by our side. Except there's no five-O gonna roll up and beat our ass down. And we're not really criminals, because there's no international law. No international law, because there's no international courts. And there are no international courts because we refuse to recognize any court that might ever try to stop us from doing whatever the fuck we want.
No trials, no courts, no laws for America. So we can do whatever the fuck we want. And we're not even criminals.
Doesn't that fucking kick ass?
What an excellent country!
And we've gotten rid of the hypocrisy too. We used to make bullshit excuses for whatever it is we wanted to do. We would tell the world it was 'cause of human rights, or because the country was a dictatorship, or attacked first – we don't do that anymore. We don't make bullshit excuses, because we understand now. We don't have to justify ourselves. We don't have to tell the rest of the world shit. We do whatever the fuck we want for one reason, and one reason only: because we can.
And all those other countries, they can suck our dick. They can bend over and take it up the ass, because the rest of the world is America's bitch. Half the world works for pennies a day to make us fat and rich. The deal is, maybe they get to eat, and we get cheap clothes, cheap oil, whatever we want, and if they don't like it they can suck on it, because the rest of the world is America's bitch.
Because we are the lone superpower. And all the other little countries and continents are mere mortals at best. They are like the homeless: we just step over them on the way to steppin' on somebody else. They aren't worth the time it takes to piss in their mouth. We don't care. We're America. We kick ass!
What are they gonna do? Arrest us? Ostracize us? Gang up on us? Let them fuckin' try; we are America and we will fuck them up! If they ever fuck with us, we will just shake it off and use it as an excuse to fuck them up some more. And the more they try to hurt us, the more medieval on their asses we will get. Because we can.
Because America is all-powerful. America kicks ass. And America doesn't have to answer to anybody. Unless, and until, God or the space aliens come to kick our ass.

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Yup, that about sums it up. Well said!


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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
... Unless, and until, God or the space aliens come to kick our ass.

"I'm ready, man. Check it out! I am the ultimate bad-ass! State of the bad-ass art! You do not want to fuck with me. Check it out! Hey, Ripley, don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate bad-asses will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, we got sharp sticks."

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