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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:04 pm 
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(Shrug). Like I said, we'll see. I have no idea how it will go. I just have a feeling that there's 1000 people in the world that will buy it. But I'm not right usually.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:21 pm 
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(Shrug). Like I said, we'll see. I have no idea how it will go. I just have a feeling that there's 1000 people in the world that will buy it. But I'm not right usually.


Well, apparently, 1,000 people in the world won't do. They need proof of U.S. citizenship. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:47 pm 
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penguin in bondage wrote:
...They need proof of U.S. citizenship.
not quite; green card-carrying foreigners also qualify [birth certificate not required]

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Some interesting points from the license:

https://getsome.zappa.com/roxy-by-proxy ... ense-text/

1) The offer is contingent completely on a minimum of a thousand people participating, otherwise, the offer can be revoked (No hold on your credit card) UNLESS:

2) One thousand people DON'T sign up, and the offer still stands (With a hold on your credit card) or it doesn't.

3) The legal language allows plenty of room to commit, waffle, or pull the plug entirely, which is strange considering the "revolutionary" nature of it.

4) Speaking of arbitrary, for any, or no reason at all, any distributor (or all) can be rejected as a distributor.

5) No creative marketing, unless approved by ZFT.

6) You can walk down to the local record store and sell them, say 10 copies for resale, that is, if any physical brick and mortar stores still exist in your area.

7) You are responsible for all expenses in duplication, mechanical royalties to the publisher and of course, marketing.

But Wait there's more!

8) Any sale of the CD on Barfko-Swill website entitles you to a partnership royalty:

"On any sales of CD product by Company through the Barfko-Swill website, Company will pay you 1/1000th of eighty percent (80%) of the difference between Eighteen Dollars ($18.00) retail and Eleven Dollars ($11.00) wholesale on all such sales for which Company is paid made during the Term hereof".

Heh? I was never a big math guy, but a distributor seems about as likely to recoup their money as Greece is to repay interest on an ECB bailout package.

This makes a college internship at a major record label look like a picnic. Too much pain to break even.


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Ah, US citizenship. I am relieved of hard decisionmaking as I then don't qualify. Wise of ZFT to exclude, e.g., Europe where there was never any interest in Zappa's music to mention. :roll:

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Wise of ZFT to exclude, e.g., Europe where there was never any interest in Zappa's music to mention. :roll:


Which is yet another reason why this "project" has NO chance in hell of EVER succeeding...

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Which is yet another reason why this "project" has NO chance in hell of EVER succeeding...
actually, this may be the reason why it could succeed for the 1st guy from the usa who shows up in europe with 5,000 cds in his backpack; one of these babies will knock out 5,000 units in about 4 days, the model xqj-37 solar-powered tran-sexual roto-replicator [add master disc, makes it's own sauce]


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estimated cost: $3.63/unit includes zft license/royalties, 4-color cd, 8-page booklet & tray liner, green-tint jewel case, shrink, $5k for the roto-replicator machine, & $5-6k for a 1st class ticket to europe with some xtra baggage etc etc; they gonna sellout faster 'n st. alfonzo's hotcakes for a paltry €12 ea. or €60,000 ... after taking a whack on the sad fucking shape of the euro these days, fly back with a respectable $77,912 [gimme an aisle]


bonus: you get to take the original roxy master cd & all the roxy marketing materials back up to your motel room ...

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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
actually, this may be the reason why it could succeed for the 1st guy from the usa who shows up in europe with 5,000 cds in his backpack; one of these babies will knock out 5,000 units in about 4 days, the model xqj-37 solar-powered tran-sexual roto-replicator


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estimated cost: $3.63/unit includes zft license/royalties, 4-color cd, 8-page booklet & tray liner, green-tint jewel case, shrink, $5k for the roto-replicator machine, & $5-6k for a 1st class ticket to europe with some xtra baggage etc etc; they gonna sellout faster 'n st. alfonzo's hotcakes for a paltry €12 ea. or €60,000 ... after taking a whack on the sad fucking shape of the euro these days, fly back with a respectable $77,912 [gimme an aisle]


bonus: you get to take the original roxy master cd & all the roxy marketing materials back up to your motel room ...



Don't you dare......you still owe me for the amp

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calvin2hikers wrote:
I have no idea how it will go.


ZFT will pocket about $600,000 right off the top and eventually a dvd will come out and it will be overpriced.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
calvin2hikers wrote:
I have no idea how it will go.


ZFT will pocket about $600,000 right off the top and eventually a dvd will come out and it will be overpriced.

Yeah, agreed. An astute evaluation of the outcome. So is it a pyramid scheme?? Not a very good one if it is...


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disco boy wrote:
Which is yet another reason why this "project" has NO chance in hell of EVER succeeding...
actually, this may be the reason why it could succeed for the 1st guy from the usa who shows up in europe with 5,000 cds in his backpack; one of these babies will knock out 5,000 units in about 4 days, the model xqj-37 solar-powered tran-sexual roto-replicator [add master disc, makes it's own sauce]


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estimated cost: $3.63/unit includes zft license/royalties, 4-color cd, 8-page booklet & tray liner, green-tint jewel case, shrink, $5k for the roto-replicator machine, & $5-6k for a 1st class ticket to europe with some xtra baggage etc etc; they gonna sellout faster 'n st. alfonzo's hotcakes for a paltry €12 ea. or €60,000 ... after taking a whack on the sad fucking shape of the euro these days, fly back with a respectable $77,912 [gimme an aisle]


bonus: you get to take the original roxy master cd & all the roxy marketing materials back up to your motel room ...


Fucking brilliant! I'll have to reconsider! :mrgreen:

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calvin2hikers wrote:
I have no idea how it will go.


ZFT will pocket about $600,000 right off the top and eventually a dvd will come out and it will be overpriced.


How do you figure that? At $15 per CD, minus manufacturing costs, etc., Roxy by Proxy would have to sell about 50,000 units to generate that amount of capital. Realistically, it won't sell more than 10,000 units (like most of the other ZFT titles)...

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One fish stick sandwich on rye with trans-sexual roto-replicator sauce coming up, sir!


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DiscoBoy, why not enlighten us with political opinions on your own nation instead of others? :x

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i've got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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sleeping in a jar wrote:
i've got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_8sLDf6lYQ

Oh, americans are so yesterday... this is the better show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEufdBNMZwc


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....the irish one is a bit.. different... (ahem).... the ZFT would have a better chance on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuT4Uw6Wp-o


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Disco Boy wrote:
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I have no idea how it will go.


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ZFT will pocket about $600,000 right off the top and eventually a dvd will come out and it will be overpriced.


How do you figure that? At $15 per CD, minus manufacturing costs, etc., Roxy by Proxy would have to sell about 50,000 units to generate that amount of capital. Realistically, it won't sell more than 10,000 units (like most of the other ZFT titles)...


They are asking for a million dollars up front. I said "off the top". Before sales they will pocket about 600,000 and then use the rest to put the package together. It does not cost anywhere near a million dollars to put out a performance that has already been recorded.


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disco boy wrote:
...Fucking brilliant! I'll have to reconsider...

who knows, canada may join the usa before roxy is actually released [except they'd exclude vancouver, bunch of rotten cunts], but it's not gonna happen this month and you'd be rejected by gail... however, exclusive canadian distribution may still be available; my roxy roto-replicator is outtasight, and if you're ready willing & able to pay the regular fee, you can drive it across the border, dodge canadian customs, & corner the market up there

slime.o's roxy xqj-37 roto-replicator
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hey discoboy, did you see roy when you went to register as a sex offender too?


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You know....in this post-American world
Post-Americans everywhere want to know just what-in-tarnation is this "ROXY THING."
Seems so much time has elapsed that probably no-one knows what it is anyway...


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PenguinInBondage wrote:
DiscoBoy, why not enlighten us with political opinions on your own nation instead of others? :x


NO chance in hell...at the moment. Though, once Obama completes or even possibly ends his socialist (another word for FASCISM) reign, it'll probably happen! :mrgreen:

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sleeping in a jar wrote:
i've got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_8sLDf6lYQ

Oh, americans are so yesterday... this is the better show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEufdBNMZwc


I prefer the Dragon's Den, too! Kevin is a nasty sum bitch!

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Disco Boy wrote:
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calvin2hikers wrote:
I have no idea how it will go.


Disco Boy wrote:
ZFT will pocket about $600,000 right off the top and eventually a dvd will come out and it will be overpriced.


How do you figure that? At $15 per CD, minus manufacturing costs, etc., Roxy by Proxy would have to sell about 50,000 units to generate that amount of capital. Realistically, it won't sell more than 10,000 units (like most of the other ZFT titles)...


They are asking for a million dollars up front. I said "off the top". Before sales they will pocket about 600,000 and then use the rest to put the package together. It does not cost anywhere near a million dollars to put out a performance that has already been recorded.


I understand what you were getting at...but my point was that they still won't be able to generate anywhere near that amount of capital ($600,000), especially since the "before" sales will be almost nil and because I don't believe they will sell more than 10,000 units of Roxy by Proxy at about $15 per CD...

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disco boy wrote:
...Fucking brilliant! I'll have to reconsider...

who knows, canada may join the usa before roxy is actually released [except they'd exclude vancouver, bunch of rotten cunts], but it's not gonna happen this month and you'd be rejected by gail... however, exclusive canadian distribution may still be available; my roxy roto-replicator is outtasight, and if you're ready willing & able to pay the regular fee, you can drive it across the border, dodge canadian customs, & corner the market up there

slime.o's roxy xqj-37 roto-replicator
© will be available [for a nominal service charge] to all usa master disc license holders





© 2012-2013 slime.o, inc.


Fuck the reconsidering! Sign me up! :mrgreen:

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how ... just realised that I have to be a us resident now ...

>1. cost $1,007.00
>2. You can give the CDs away as gifts! (according to https://getsome.zappa.com/roxy-by-proxy-the-license/ )

I really hope that someone with the time and experience starts a kickstarter to get a single license (for all of us) and then gives away the bare bone CD's as gifts
just to spread the music of FZ (whishful thinking). I was considering doing it in the UK ("am I in my right mind ?") and maybe just limit the number of gifts to 200 or so (just to limit the amount of time if would require to handle the CD posting ...)... getting the money on kickstarter did not seem to hard but now I know that I dont qualify anyway ..

I can not understand how the ZFT can think they can rais money that way. All we need is someone with a single license. And by default we have already barfko. The worst senario for them would be that they sell a single license (maybe with money raised on kickstarter) and have that person give away for free the CD or everyone buys just from this single license holder. Multiple license holder seem only be required to increase the profit for the trust. If having/buying a license would be a way to make money for a fan then I could see "some" point of it but that is not the case ..

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