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Ron Paul received nearly 20% of the Republican delegates. And he also received well over 2 million votes in the Primaries (where not everyone is allowed to vote). This is FACT. And hence this would've translated into closer to 10 million votes if he had won the Republican nomination, since the other two candidate's Presidential election voting totals were 5-10x more than their Primaries voting totals, moron...


DB tell me if I've got this right.

Ron Paul got 20% of the delegates for the GOP nomination. He got 2 million votes in the straw polls.
Both these points I have no problems with , even though one could argue that there was little connection between the results of many straw polls and the selection of delegates. Plus the fact that (as I think you and I both agree) team Romney gerrymandered the convention.
Part 2 is weirder. You seem to be projecting the other two candidates' votes received in the presidential elections onto the votes received in the straw polls by Ron Paul in the Republican nomination process. You therefore conclude that Ron Paul's share of the vote in a presidential election would have been "5-10x" more and come up with figure of 10 Million. Why not 20 Million? Let's assume 20 million and be optimistic. That still leaves him over 40 million short of winning the election. If Romney had got 20 million, they would have accused him of being the most unpopular candidate since Didius Julianus. Are you really saying that Ron Paul would only have got a sixth (or even a third) of the vote that Romney got?


About 1/6, yes. And that is a substantial amount of votes/supporters considering Ron Paul isn't considered a mainstream candidate by many. Though, 1/3 would be pushing it...

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Ron Paul received nearly 20% of the Republican delegates. And he also received well over 2 million votes in the Primaries (where not everyone is allowed to vote). This is FACT. And hence this would've translated into closer to 10 million votes if he had won the Republican nomination, since the other two candidate's Presidential election voting totals were 5-10x more than their Primaries voting totals, moron...


DB tell me if I've got this right.

Ron Paul got 20% of the delegates for the GOP nomination. He got 2 million votes in the straw polls.
Both these points I have no problems with , even though one could argue that there was little connection between the results of many straw polls and the selection of delegates. Plus the fact that (as I think you and I both agree) team Romney gerrymandered the convention.
Part 2 is weirder. You seem to be projecting the other two candidates' votes received in the presidential elections onto the votes received in the straw polls by Ron Paul in the Republican nomination process. You therefore conclude that Ron Paul's share of the vote in a presidential election would have been "5-10x" more and come up with figure of 10 Million. Why not 20 Million? Let's assume 20 million and be optimistic. That still leaves him over 40 million short of winning the election. If Romney had got 20 million, they would have accused him of being the most unpopular candidate since Didius Julianus. [b]Are you really saying that Ron Paul would only have got a sixth (or even a third) of the vote that Romney got?[b]


About 1/6, yes. And that is a substantial amount of votes/supporters considering Ron Paul isn't considered a mainstream candidate by many. Though, 1/3 would be pushing it...



Thats not what Isaac Boy was saying before. He said Ron paul would get 10 million votes...didn't happen.

The grand total of all votes for all candidates in the Republican Primaries is - 18,682,820

Ron Pauls total vote count - 2,017,957

More like closer to 1/9th... and once again...Isaac Twat is wrong and not even close.

Isaac Boy will pull some more bullshit out of his ass in 5..4..3..2..1..


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Thats not what Isaac Boy was saying before. He said Ron paul would get 10 million votes...didn't happen.

The grand total of all votes for all candidates in the Republican Primaries is - 18,682,820

Ron Pauls total vote count - 2,017,957

More like closer to 1/9th... and once again...Isaac Twat is wrong and not even close.

Isaac Boy will pull some more bullshit out of his ass in 5..4..3..2..1..


It's what I've been saying all along. Romney's (not the entire 2012 Republican PRIMARIES vote total) 2012 US PRIMARIES vote total was 10,031,336, not 18,682,820, dipshit. And 1/6 of Romney's 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL vote total (60,685,892) is about 10 million, moron. Also, the 2 million+ vote total you posted above is Ron Paul's 2012 US PRIMARIES vote total (where not everyone votes), genius. :roll:

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No matter how often or how much you change your story Isaac Boy, you were wrong. Ron paul didn't get 20% of the vote. He didn't get 10 million votes. You said he would and he didn't. Not even close. Give it up, you already lost and were wrong. Time to move onto something else. How many times does everybody here need to tell you that? Nevermind, we're dealing with Isaac here. It only encourages him to become a bigger moron.


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Dutch amateur referee got beaten to death by kids in a football team, aged 15 and 16. His son was playing on the other team.

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No matter how often or how much you change your story Isaac Boy, you were wrong. Ron paul didn't get 20% of the vote. He didn't get 10 million votes. You said he would and he didn't. Not even close. Give it up, you already lost and were wrong. Time to move onto something else. How many times does everybody here need to tell you that? Nevermind, we're dealing with Isaac here. It only encourages him to become a bigger moron.


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Dutch amateur referee got beaten to death by kids in a football team, aged 15 and 16. His son was playing on the other team.


Thank you for getting us back on the topic BBP. Those of you obsessed with being right on the internet, take your political pissing contest to any of the myriad of other topics devoted to politics. Yes, sometimes politics is news, but bitching and complaining that other people have opinions different from you is not news. I would post you links to any of the other political topics but as you are already posting all over those boards too, it is obvious you have found them. Hell, I will even make a new topic called Post here to bitch about politics if you need me to, let me know. Move along and let us post actual news here.

News flash: The election is over, move on.

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Dutch amateur referee got beaten to death by kids in a football team, aged 15 and 16. His son was playing on the other team.



Now that is something...Wow!

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That smiley seems somewhat misplaced... there are few things worse than losing your parent: losing one in your youth in such a horrible way, watching it and unable to do something, while on Twitter moronic teens call for the freedom of the kids who kicked him to death, that can't get much worse.

Anyway, two boats collided on the North Sea, 5 deaths so far. Ultimatum in Cairo.

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After massive DNA-testing of men who lived in the area of the victim, the cops here caught the murderer of a girl who was raped and killed 19 years ago.


He confessed today.

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That smiley seems somewhat misplaced... there are few things worse than losing your parent: losing one in your youth in such a horrible way, watching it and unable to do something, while on Twitter moronic teens call for the freedom of the kids who kicked him to death, that can't get much worse.

Anyway, two boats collided on the North Sea, 5 deaths so far. Ultimatum in Cairo.



No I agree (the smoker is like a kinda of signature for me) anyway I just can't fathom such a barbaric act by what basically amounts to children, in a country where we believe the people are generally raised in a well rounded way...If this happened in the US I think I would be far less surprised, and that is said in and of itself...

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It's official. Michigan has just become a Nazi state with a Nazi govenor and a Nazi legislature. Govenor Rick Snyder is the Henry Clay Frick of Michigan, and his Right To Work supporters are his Pinkertons.


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It's official. Michigan has just become a Nazi state with a Nazi governor and a Nazi legislature. Governor Rick Snyder is the Henry Clay Frick of Michigan, and his Right To Work supporters are his Pinkertons.


Yeah, I read where they put out a public announcement to begin slaughtering millions of Jewish people, performing ghastly experiments on anyone who is not Aryan, and invading nearby nations.

Also, I fixed your spelling errors as well, all knowledgeable one.

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Take it with a grain of salt Duchamp; or a truckload if you prefer.

Spacebro is reflecting what I'd imagine how most Michiganians feel right about now. The current govenor has been doing some very nasty and reckless things since his term began. Thousands are protesting now in Lansing and calling for his ouster. I don't anticapate a second term.

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Take it with a grain of salt Duchamp; or a truckload if you prefer.

Spacebro is reflecting what I'd imagine how most Michiganians feel right about now. The current govenor has been doing some very nasty and reckless things since his term began. Thousands are protesting now in Lansing and calling for his ouster. I don't anticapate a second term.


I fully admit, I have NO actual knowledge of his current practices, but anytime people make such ridiculous statements, it completly destroys the validity of their arguement. Instead of comparing him to the perpetrators of death and destruction of millions of people, how about state the actual facts? Ridiculous exaggeration is very good at getting people to pay attention to you, but it makes you sound beyond silly. Let the facts speak for themselves.

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"On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler’s state police."

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/h ... lution.htm



Just like Hitler and the Nazi's union busting the the 1930's, American Reich-Wing Republicans are trying to make history repeat itself.

Whats happening in Michigan is that the Govenor has become Henry Clay Frick and the union busters have become the Pinkertons.


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Well! If the current Michigan government is composed of truly Nazi-like persons, why doesn't the unions get their membership to rally to the cause and break some fucking heads? A couple thousand people rampaging through the the state capitol building busting everything up would be a good start...let's have a good old-fashioned union riot like we used to have in the Thirties, when real men existed.

(It won't happen, because modern unions are chickenshit. They don't have the balls to put a stop to anything, and their membership is equally without testicle. Unions cave, and cave frequently, because everyone would rather have a crappy job than no job, and actually fighting for what you believe in can be very inconvenient.)

It's going to take a lot more than walking around whining and carrying a sign. You dig?


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Well! If the current Michigan government is composed of truly Nazi-like persons, why doesn't the unions get their membership to rally to the cause and break some fucking heads? A couple thousand people rampaging through the the state capitol building busting everything up would be a good start...let's have a good old-fashioned union riot like we used to have in the Thirties, when real men existed.

(It won't happen, because modern unions are chickenshit. They don't have the balls to put a stop to anything, and their membership is equally without testicle. Unions cave, and cave frequently, because everyone would rather have a crappy job than no job, and actually fighting for what you believe in can be very inconvenient.)

It's going to take a lot more than walking around whining and carrying a sign. You dig?



Be careful what you wish for...

http://www.onenewspage.com/n/World/74rk ... gainst.htm

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Right To work is designed to kill wages, benefits and jobs, and it's supporters are either grossly ill-informed, big corporate CEO's, stock traders/money managers or freeloaders.


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A couple thousand people rampaging through the the state capitol building busting everything up would be a good start.


Riots don't work.
Neither does the destruction of municipal property.

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SPACEBROTHER wrote:
Right To work is designed to kill wages, benefits and jobs, and it's supporters are either grossly ill-informed, big corporate CEO's, stock traders/money managers or freeloaders.


What scares unions more than right to work laws , is the right to fire laws included. Maybe now people , like the 150K+ teachers that called in sick today , might have to start thinking twice about their actions. Oh , it's all about the children. :roll:

As far as wages , the states employing the most people in this country are right to work states and studies show that the mean difference in pay between right to work states and those not classified in that category , is about a 2000.00 / yr difference , with so called union states making more.

How much are your union dues a year and what did you get for that money ??

As to benefits , private enterprise long ago realized they couldn't offer the world if they didn't generate enough profit to pay for what they promised.

Take a look at public unions around the country and then ask why most are millions in the hole , it's because of what they promised . Then ask yourself , if you don't belong to a union , why the fuck someone is allowed to take money out of your pocket to pay for such extortion ???


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Riots and destruction of property may not "work", but it does send a loud message that we mean business.

Standing on a corner shouting slogans sure as hell does not work.

The fact is that the power has decided that we are all to be third-worlded, and drug down to the standards of South America. I've already felt this big-time in the non-union workplace, and unions are feeling it more and more. Look at Hostess...a union is helpless in the face of a shutdown. Look at the UAW...letting the new hires work for half of what the old-timers make just to keep jobs available so that they will have some workers to "represent".

I know several people in the construction trades who belong to unions. Non of them are working. I believe in the right to have a union, but I also believe in the right not to join one, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be forced by law to join a union just to get a job...especially when the union is ineffective in securing decent employment for it's members.

Maybe violence is something we are not keen on, but our lives are going to get worse. Look at Greece, look at Egypt...eventually we are not going to take it any longer, and we are going to lash out, for better or for worse. At least the bastards will know that we are not chumps who are just going to roll over and take it.


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Humanity can't be fixed. Apparently we're supposed to be fucked up. Perhaps we exist simply to destroy the Earth. Maybe we are a parasite. Parasites that need employment! What a mess.

Guess we just need to deal with it. Hopefully with kindness.


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Humanity can't be fixed. Apparently we're supposed to be fucked up. Perhaps we exist simply to destroy the Earth. Maybe we are a parasite. Parasites that need employment! What a mess.

Guess we just need to deal with it. Hopefully with kindness.



The planet needs to get rid of us like a bad rash... :smoke:


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You can't really mean that, Plook. Don't you have grandchildren?


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