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It is all too much to bear, let's get some more Road Tapes vols out, take the proceeds and release the ROXY footage for too much money and we all buy it. Problem solved.

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It is all too much to bear, let's get some more Road Tapes vols out, take the proceeds and release the ROXY footage for too much money and we all buy it. Problem solved.

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??? Which part did you not understand? I guess the latter. But I guess you are religious on economic matters, and discussing with religious people is a waste of time. (But I stand by my statement, btw.)


No, I'm not religious.

And almost your entire statement is what I don't understand. It just floors me that you think, "There is no truth out there in economics. That I know for sure." If that was true, world financial systems would collapse immediately. It just doesn't make ANY sense and makes me believe you've never studied economics.

Wait, let me guess, you're a socialist?

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...who here would buy a license if they (comfortably) had the money?

we had a pool of 4 guys, 3 foreign partners split half, the u.s. half was mine, incuding the master disc & all the swag to keep, then 1 guy bailed, then another, so it was a no-go

when they opened it up to foreign participants, many locals who bought in would now want to opt-out

legit disc copying services like the one used by zft for official discs will want to see the license, so they can report numbers to the original © holder, if artwork & templates from the master are used, the final product should be identical to a zft version; gold cd or sacd versions would have a marketing edge, or wait for the freefall when heaps of overruns bottom-out on ebay at about 5 bucks a dozen [you know how it goes]

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??? Which part did you not understand? I guess the latter. But I guess you are religious on economic matters, and discussing with religious people is a waste of time. (But I stand by my statement, btw.)


No, I'm not religious.

And almost your entire statement is what I don't understand. It just floors me that you think, "There is no truth out there in economics. That I know for sure." If that was true, world financial systems would collapse immediately. It just doesn't make ANY sense and makes me believe you've never studied economics.

Wait, let me guess, you're a socialist?

You went back three pages to bring this up on a thread about the Roxy DB? Now,bro if you keep on arguing politics in all threads,I'll start thinkin' Spacebro' has something.That or I'll ask cal to ask you to please take it elsewhere sir.Please ya dig,and por favor,don't respond on the Roxy Announcement Today Thread.
Thanx.I love you man! 8)

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...who here would buy a license if they (comfortably) had the money?

we had a pool of 4 guys, 3 foreign partners split half, the u.s. half was mine, incuding the master disc & all the swag to keep, then 1 guy bailed, then another, so it was a no-go

when they opened it up to foreign participants, many locals who bought in would now want to opt-out

legit disc copying services like the one used by zft for official discs will want to see the license, so they can report numbers to the original © holder, if artwork & templates from the master are used, the final product should be identical to a zft version; gold cd or sacd versions would have a marketing edge, or wait for the freefall when heaps of overruns bottom-out on ebay at about 5 bucks a dozen [you know how it goes]


Why does it loose value to US investers when it's open to the foreign markets slime.o? Can they produce the product cheaper with the ZFT quality stamp too?
"Forgive it me for I am slow of learning."A Midsummers Night Dream.

Where's Poly he's a math man and some economics training too,I believe.Could it happen in OZ? What.

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I really don't give a shit. I'm over this whole Roxy thing.

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I really don't give a shit. I'm over this whole Roxy thing.


Yeah. I'll buy it if it ever comes out, and probably enjoy it, but I really don't care.

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??? Which part did you not understand? I guess the latter. But I guess you are religious on economic matters, and discussing with religious people is a waste of time. (But I stand by my statement, btw.)

No, I'm not religious.

And almost your entire statement is what I don't understand. It just floors me that you think, "There is no truth out there in economics. That I know for sure." If that was true, world financial systems would collapse immediately. It just doesn't make ANY sense and makes me believe you've never studied economics.

Wait, let me guess, you're a socialist?

For what it is worth I am a professor in economics, so I know a few things in that area. And I am an arrogant one also, so I refuse to discuss these matters here. Your "socialist" comment is exactly one of the reasons. Are you Canadian? :roll:

Over and out.

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I feel like poly and many others on this: I am sort of over with it also. If it comes out, fine. I'll buy it. I'll enjoy it. If it doesn't, I actually don't care. I think I have said it before, but time passes and new things happens that takes over in your life. Zappa music was really big for me and my life in the late 1970s and 1980s. After that, it has been a nice hobby on the side. And a dwindling one. But I still buy the releases. But I don't wait in sleepless anticipation for the postman to arrive. It is not the 1980s anymore.

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For us old guys, it's not the '60s anymore,either. This is only the online forum of any kind I am on. On principle, I don't have a Facebook account. For anyone who is 'over' Zappa, this is the wrong forum, but for anyone else...

This thread was only to marvel at this crazy marketing strategy. Why the fuck is it now full of political invective and ego?

Sorry :roll:

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Disco Boy wrote:
No, I'm not religious.

And almost your entire statement is what I don't understand. It just floors me that you think, "There is no truth out there in economics. That I know for sure." If that was true, world financial systems would collapse immediately. It just doesn't make ANY sense and makes me believe you've never studied economics.


Hmm - what does this have to do with ROXY? :?

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Wait, let me guess, you're a socialist?


Said the guy from Canada.

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For us old guys, it's not the '60s anymore,either. This is only the online forum of any kind I am on. On principle, I don't have a Facebook account. For anyone who is 'over' Zappa, this is the wrong forum, but for anyone else...

This thread was only to marvel at this crazy marketing strategy. Why the fuck is it now full of political invective and ego?

Sorry :roll:


I, for one, being the awesome person I am, shall not deign to broach such subjects.

But anyhoo, yeah, if it were a drop in the bucket money-wise for me, I'd buy it, just for the uniqueness.

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I admitted to being a person who fetishes owning it too, except for that 'modest income' thing that continues to dog me... 8)

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Haha, yeah - I was going to point out that the one thing we can all agree on here is that noone on the forum can afford to throw their $ away on this! :mrgreen: :cry:

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Haha, yeah - I was going to point out that the one thing we can all agree on here is that noone on the forum can afford to throw their $ away on this! :mrgreen: :cry:

Spending the amount of dollars they expect me to spend on this (not to speak about "throwing away") is probably at the bottom of my priority list these days. And as more and more time goes by, my interest in the nostalgia of the Roxy movie is on the way down on that list, too.

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And as more and more time goes by, my interest in the nostalgia of the Roxy movie is on the way down on that list, too.


I "get it". But I'd say my interest in the movie is still far greater than the soundtrack. I'd gladly purchase both if they actually *existed*! :mrgreen:

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For us old guys, it's not the '60s anymore,either. This is only the online forum of any kind I am on. On principle, I don't have a Facebook account. For anyone who is 'over' Zappa, this is the wrong forum, but for anyone else...

This thread was only to marvel at this crazy marketing strategy. Why the fuck is it now full of political invective and ego?

Sorry :roll:

+1 I'm with ya on that one Tweeze.I do belong to DZWorld,The Packard Goose and Zappateers,but that's it.No Fecesbook for me either.I to tire of all the politics going on in every music thread.I go off subject too,but this is like highjacking a thread from the reason it was created,to further some political agenda that no-one wants to discuss on said thread. :roll:

I'd buy The Roxy film,if the whole show is there.From what I've seen it's fine by me.I'd buy it in Black and white if nesaccery.I'm a ZappaFreak so my opinion may be skewered though!

Who gets "over" Zappa? 'taint possible,unless the government has a rehap for that! Remember what happend to Joe. :wink:

Not as sorry. Just irritated a little. :roll:

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I would still love to see this film released in some form, even if they don't have enough money for a proper HD remaster. I just recently watched The True Story of 200 Motels and that has some Roxy footage in there, which makes me suspect that FZ had it transferred from the original negatives back in the 80's. Does this thing really need to be on Blu-ray? A regular old standard def DVD would be quite adequate for most of us, I imagine. Especially if it'll save 1,000,000 dollars.


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I also couldn't give a shit about the film being in Blu-ray or even 5.1. Standard stereo DVD would be fine.

About the soundtrack if this thing gets off the ground - I wouldn't buy it from anyone here on this forum or any "fan". I want it as a proper release w/ full artwork/liner notes, not a freaking CD-R where then I have to download the artwork.

I do wonder if any other artists I support will be interested in this deal. Like it would be pretty cool if Discipline Global Mobile got in on this. I hate Phish, but maybe their fans/customers would buy it from them. Probably wishful thinking though.


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I also couldn't give a shit about the film being in Blu-ray or even 5.1. Standard stereo DVD would be fine.

About the soundtrack if this thing gets off the ground - I wouldn't buy it from anyone here on this forum or any "fan". I want it as a proper release w/ full artwork/liner notes, not a freaking CD-R where then I have to download the artwork.

I do wonder if any other artists I support will be interested in this deal. Like it would be pretty cool if Discipline Global Mobile got in on this. I hate Phish, but maybe their fans/customers would buy it from them. Probably wishful thinking though.


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tweezers wrote:
For us old guys, it's not the '60s anymore,either. This is only the online forum of any kind I am on. On principle, I don't have a Facebook account. For anyone who is 'over' Zappa, this is the wrong forum, but for anyone else...

This thread was only to marvel at this crazy marketing strategy. Why the fuck is it now full of political invective and ego?

Sorry :roll:

+1 I'm with ya on that one Tweeze.I do belong to DZWorld,The Packard Goose and Zappateers,but that's it.No Fecesbook for me either.I to tire of all the politics going on in every music thread.I go off subject too,but this is like highjacking a thread from the reason it was created,to further some political agenda that no-one wants to discuss on said thread. :roll:

I'd buy The Roxy film,if the whole show is there.From what I've seen it's fine by me.I'd buy it in Black and white if nesaccery.I'm a ZappaFreak so my opinion may be skewered though!

Who gets "over" Zappa? 'taint possible,unless the government has a rehap for that! Remember what happend to Joe. :wink:

Not as sorry. Just irritated a little. :roll:


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Why does it loose value to US investers when it's open to the foreign markets slime.o? ...
with > 50% of worldwide demand for zappa product outside the usa, u.s participants now have less than half their assumed market available to them than when they signed up


classic bait 'n switch

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kapt.kiirk wrote:
Why does it loose value to US investers when it's open to the foreign markets slime.o? ...
with > 50% of worldwide demand for zappa product outside the usa, u.s participants now have less than half their assumed market available to them than when they signed up


classic bait 'n switch

In a WC Fields voice: "The ol' bait 'n switch eh? Never heard of it! Sounds like a blind date I once had" :wink:

Why slimo.o,doesn't the rest of the world prefer American Made products over the're own? :mrgreen:

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1st batch of 150 cds sold here; fly over to europe with the master copy in hand, make a 2nd batch of 200 cds down in france, fly back via canada [another 50 cds] ... you had a serious shot at a break-even proposition selling at $12 or €10 a pop, you get to keep the master & all the swag, plus a free eurotrip

kick back, drop the unit price to $6 or €5 each in quantities of 20 or more, ad infinitus ... meet me on the beach, gimme a colada & milk

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1st batch of 150 cds sold here; fly over to europe with the master copy in hand, make a 2nd batch of 200 cds down in france, fly back via canada [another 50 cds] ... you had a serious shot at a break-even proposition selling at $12 or €10 a pop, you get to keep the master & all the swag, plus a free eurotrip

kick back, drop the unit price to $6 or €5 each in quantities of 20 or more, ad infinitus ... meet me on the beach, gimme a colada & milk

That's what I'm talkin' about.Now that we have a business plan,who will be the first investor? How's about the whole zappa.com forumers split the cost,give us the master and tix to Europe,Australia,China & India. It's a whole new market of a billion folks or so.In Mambai (Bombay) the Bollywood connection would seem like a natural fit for The Roxy,FZ and the Mothers.Thailand and Vietnam might be cool to.....I'll get back to ya there's some guys in white coats coming up the stairs holding some kind of suit with straps.
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??? Which part did you not understand? I guess the latter. But I guess you are religious on economic matters, and discussing with religious people is a waste of time. (But I stand by my statement, btw.)

No, I'm not religious.

And almost your entire statement is what I don't understand. It just floors me that you think, "There is no truth out there in economics. That I know for sure." If that was true, world financial systems would collapse immediately. It just doesn't make ANY sense and makes me believe you've never studied economics.

Wait, let me guess, you're a socialist?

For what it is worth I am a professor in economics, so I know a few things in that area. And I am an arrogant one also, so I refuse to discuss these matters here. Your "socialist" comment is exactly one of the reasons. Are you Canadian? :roll:

Over and out.



ROTFLMFAO! :mrgreen:

You're a Professor of Economics?! Then I guess that makes your initial statement even more interesting.

Btw, I'd say my "socialist" comment is on par with your "religious" comment. :wink:

And as for the ones who feel I shouldn't talk about another subject in an unrelated thread: there's PLENTY of threads that go off on tangents on this here forum, especially about topics that aren't even remotely interesting. And it's not like I'm someone who makes a habit out of it. And remember, it was HJ who started off on the tangent.

But ultimately, who gives a fuck, anyway? :P

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Why does it loose value to US investers when it's open to the foreign markets slime.o? ...
with > 50% of worldwide demand for zappa product outside the usa, u.s participants now have less than half their assumed market available to them than when they signed up


classic bait 'n switch


That's a great point. But unfortunately, regardless of the goalpost changes, I still can't see this project workin'...

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