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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:41 pm 
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So anyone claiming "There's no good music anymore," while hiding their head in a '1964-1977 hole in the sand,' is just plain lazy."


No.... I believe this proves that most people's taste today is in their asses.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:41 am 
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Maroual wrote:
blsabob23 wrote:
So anyone claiming "There's no good music anymore," while hiding their head in a '1964-1977 hole in the sand,' is just plain lazy.
I may be wrong, but I understood Quilt's initial message differently, because he was talking about someone "pushing the boundaries".
Methinks he meant that it was more and more difficult to find unanimously recognized key composers that were experimenting real structural evolutions and influencing their future (such as Bach, Beethoven, Ligeti, Zappa (although not unanimously recognized whatever), etc).
So I suspect he was looking for something different than 3 minutes 20 seconds calibrated industrial radio music in 4/4 and C major ... although this is not at all a criteria for bad music.
Maybe we do not focus on the structure of music anymore and are more interested in inventing new processes or instruments to produce and share music.



You are exactly right.
I love all sorts of music from rock to jazz to blues, but they occupy a different place in my cd rack (so to speak) then the 'classical' stuff I also listen to.
My question was more about that brand of 'serious' music. The category that FZ tried, and to an extent succeeded in getting himself recognised for.
At the end of the day it is all just 'music' so I don't suppose it matters how me or anyone else categorises it, but 'modern serious music' is an alternative paradigm to the stuff I read about in Classic Rock or Metal Hammer or Jazztimes or whatever.
I try and smoke a pipe whilst listening to it, and also furrow my brow during the complicated bits.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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Jazz and Metal seem to be the two genres that are pushing boundaries...

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I love Zorn, but he seems to have mellowed to the point where his music is starting to sound more mainstream to me.

I really like the British electronic/pop singer/artist Micachu. Her first album Jewellery features electronics alongside homemade instruments that give it sort of a Beck meets Harry Partch feel. The second album was more electronic and I didn't like it as much.

Some would say indie bands like Animal Collective are edgy, but to me they sound like they're trying too hard.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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Definitely agree about metal and jazz. The metal and jazz of 2013 sounds very different to the jazz of 30 years ago or the metal of even 10 years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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jk666 wrote:
Jazz and Metal seem to be the two genres that are pushing boundaries...

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Agreed, but here are some additions for you:

Lugubrum, especially the last 3 or 4 albums: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsafK7NgIw
Remmirath: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6j_amJKraw
Deathspell Omega, since "Fas"-album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj0qx97jb3c
Peste Noire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA25vs4c2vs
Tormentor, the "Recipe Ferrum"-album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGU-tujeSZY

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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Go to Dime a Dozen dot org. There is plenty of great contemporaray composers...

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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When I was a teen in early eighties the "big names" in music were FZ, Miles Davis, K Stockhausen (amongst others...)
However you like them or not, could you name anyone OF TODAY as big (important-influential) as them?
John Zorn is ok, but he could never reach the highness of them...

At the same time the "big" movie directors were Kubrick, Bergman, Fellini...
And at the same time today Malick and Von Trier are good, but not at their level...

Also Mc Ewan and Paul Auster (to name the first that come in my mind) are sure appreciated writers with a solid reputation.
But in the prior generation we had Kerouak and Aldous Huxley...

I think the direction of that thing called CULTURE today is
1 more entertainment oriented, just to relax the consumer for a couple of hours... giving him what's HE wants, and not what the ARTIST wants him to get...
2 full (in a way or in another) of quotes from the near past, just to let you know they have studied and have "a solid background"...
3 no one wants to take the risk of a failure...
4 the "artistic" production was a necessity for the maker ("NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION" sayed once someone familiar...), now it is a necessity for the public...
5 anyone today can make his own film and see it on youtube, can make his own music, and write his own book gratifying his little ego...

...and last... WHO GIVES A FUCK ANYWAY...


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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Malick is great, Tree of life is a masterpiece by all means...

Here is a list based on Dime torrents from mostly contemporary composers ("classic" & elsewhere):

GUILLERMO LAGO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8ZxRoNSzJc
PAUL HINDEMITH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hindemith
TRISTAN KEURIS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_Keuris
CALLIOPE TSOUPAKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calliope_Tsoupaki
KLAAS DE VRIES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaas_de_V ... omposer%29
SALVATORE SCIARRINO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_sciarrino
ALPHONS DIEPENBROCK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphons_Diepenbrock
ASTOR PIAZZOLLA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astor_Piazzolla
ALBAN BERG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alban_berg
ARNOLD MARINISSEN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYyWKTQ7qaA
JOHN ADAMS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_%28composer%29
KARL AMADEUS HARTMANN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Amadeus_Hartmann
ARVO PÄRT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvo_P%C3%A4rt One of my favourites...
BENJAMIN BRITTEN - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_britten
DMITRI SHOSTAKOVICH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Shostakovich
LUCIANO BERIO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciano_Berio who, as BBP has noticed, is a great composer, made symphonies for the accordion...
FRANCIS POULENC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Poulenc
STEVE REICH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Reich
MARKO CICILIANI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMiCFYtxEsc (this one reminds me of synclavier)
ERNST KRENEK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Krenek
YANNIS KYRIAKIDES YANNIS KYRIAKIDES
OLIVIER MESSIAEN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Messiaen

the list goes on and on, and I don't claim to know them all. But do a youtube search and you will have fun (or not) for lots of time...

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 Post subject: Re: modern music
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ubuweb - history of electronic / electroacoustic music (1937-2001)

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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I just hear this on TV :shock: :shock: :shock: :



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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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For a jazz composer/arranger, try John Hollenbeck. He has his own sound, and he writes interesting arrangements. His albums Eternal Interlude; Shut Up And Dance; Joys And Desires are recommended. It's great sounding modern music, imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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F.Natural wrote:
The 'contemporary classical' music I sample sounds like "movie music" or "television music" or "music made for commercials.


The composers writing for those mediums are the ones who borrowed the original ideas from modern music and turned them in to cliches.


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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To me " modern music" is an oxymoron

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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MORRICONE'S late 60's early 70's jazz stuff is AWESOME!


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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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jeddy wrote:
MORRICONE'S late 60's early 70's jazz stuff is AWESOME!


Can you give me some examples Jeddy? I adore his scores for AFOD, FAFDM, TGTB&TU and OUATITW.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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Pop(ular) music has always been shit and that's the way almost everyone has always liked it. But today the shit is stinking worse and worse and has become a mockery of a parody and the recycling of recycled recycling. Nobody gives a fuck so I don't either. Why look for a water gusher in the middle of a dried up desert?

blsabob23 said:

"I see between 40-50 concerts a year, the vast majority of them are with bands that came out within the past 5-12 years. So anyone claiming 'There's no good music anymore,' while hiding their head in a '1964-1977 hole in the sand,' is just plain lazy."

No, it's just the ratio of diminishing returns. The rat won't come back to the dispenser after he nearly never gets a pellet.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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The Sound and the Fury Trailer - BBC Four
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour The series traces the turbulent history and ground-breaking music of the last century, uncovering how the last 100 years have changed music and the way we listen to sound forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCyboPJrJ-Q

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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I just got back from a concert featuring "new music." The first half of the show had 2 Chicago based "new music composers," and the 2nd half of the show had 5 pieces from Yellow Shark. It was a nice feeling to hear more contemporary work, and to see FZ being included in the "new music" category. It's been hard for Frank to get much traction in the classical world, so to see him featured as a big cheese was heart warming. Doesn't happen much in the U.S. Perhaps it's different in Europe.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
I just got back from a concert featuring "new music." The first half of the show had 2 Chicago based "new music composers," and the 2nd half of the show had 5 pieces from Yellow Shark. It was a nice feeling to hear more contemporary work, and to see FZ being included in the "new music" category. It's been hard for Frank to get much traction in the classical world, to to see him featured as a big cheese was heart warming. Doesn't happen much in the U.S. Perhaps it's different in Europe.


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Rami Khalifé: http://youtu.be/h1ez-oOqdQU
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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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one of those is not modern just traditional mid eastern music, the wind ensemble sucks, go check out Ted Koosian.

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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Well they're modern composers. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Modern Music
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jk666 wrote:
Jazz and Metal seem to be the two genres that are pushing boundaries...


Boundaries of what ... the 4 instrument/bar staff of music?

WOW ... I'm impressed!

Metal is just using effects ... which would not be considered "music" in its written form.

Jazz is stagnating ... just had a discussion on "improvisation" in another forum and some musicians could not get out of the stuff they knew ... and had to keep referring back to the concepts and ideas they already played! The idea of watching a 5 year old play an instrument, with no form or learning ... is not something that can teach you anything ... except that you have no feeling for a child ... regardless! Child is stupid! Jazz is the same thing these days.

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