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It could be a religion. The god of current, bearing light, promising death to the falsely observant, with scripture and commandments and liturgy, all in this priestly Vectorial language.
Water falls, electricity flows- one flow becomes another, and then into light. So is altitude transformed, continuously,to light. The vectorial expressions in the books, surface integrals and potential functions and such, are simply clumsier repetitions of the truth that can be seen-directly without equation- inside the circuits.




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All you need to know is Tesla was working on a free home delivery system and Edison was working on regulated system that could be gotten for a fee... :smoke:


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Firstly, the Industrial Revolution is not equivalent to the Capitalist Revolution. The emergence of the former may have been unleashed by the strivings of the latter, but the industrial revolution is a human achievement. The fundamental issue from my standpoint is who should own it all? Who gets to benefit? "Without the industrial revolution we'd still be using candles for light." That's a true statement, but DB is saying that it's a product of capitalism and if he wants capitalism unfettered then he is inferring that the capitalist ruling class gets to decide what and where as far as building society is concerned. It's equally as true to say that without human labour we'd still be swinging from the trees and eating bananas.

Try as you might, you won't untangle the conflict between labour and capital by unfettering the owners of capital, they're just human after all. There is no absolute who's right and who's wrong in this conflict. As Engels said, a ship needs a captain just as much as it needs a crew. But, "Biting the hand that feeds you" is such a patronising and dark ages statement as who is biting whose hand? Statistics may well have been grossly exaggerated or misrepresented about child labour during the early stages of the Industrial Revolution, but child labour, however you look at it was no picnic and it is far from the only issue and the majority of progress made by the working class has been fought for long and hard and was rarely freely given.

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Any info sourced from the Mackinac Center For Public Policy should be ignored, disregarded entirely and laughed at as a joke, as it's an extremist Right Wing nut job organization.

A little background about Lawrence W. Reed, the author of Disco Douche's link...Look up his ties to the Contra affair in Nicaragua...

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/a ... z2MMvKfs6v


...their version of Capitolism is dismantling sovereign Democratically elected governments, starting wars and nation-building. Once again, Disco Douche a/k/a Honey Boo Boo is clueless.

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Stick with the Bakshi forum Honey Boo Boo.



polydigm is 100% correct.


Incidently, the Mackinac Center for Public Policy nutjobs reside in my neck of the woods. I've even had to work a couple of their wacko events. Not a non-Caucasion to be seen anywhere in the vicinity, if that tells ya anything. Typical.


Once again, you know almost NOTHING of what you're talking about. If you actually read the link I provided, at the bottom there are 16 references from which the essay is compiled from. And hence it's not only coming from one source or the site itself. :roll:

Keep FAILIN' and FAILIN' HARD, tweedle-dumb. It's VERY entertaining.

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I'm not the only one who believes that. :roll:


I'm quite prepared to believe that you're not the only one who believes that and really did not wish to suggest otherwise. :wink:


Well, that's good. Because it's not like you've EVER skewed info I've presented. :wink:

And it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. Because I really am not the only who believes that.

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...If it wasn't for the Industrial Revolution we might still be solely depending on candles for light...

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That's nice. But my point still stands.

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I thought he was trying to convey the opinion that child labour in Britain in the 19th century wasn't so bad after all and that we wouldn't be where we were today (wherever that is) if it wasn't for the industrial revolution.


You obviously didn't read the essay. Because what the essay was conveying was that, as bad as it was, child labour was, at that point in time, necessary. And it explicitly backs that up with compelling evidence and those crazy things called FACTS - which I know you Socialists just love to deny. :wink:

And yes, many technological developments wouldn't have happened, or at least as fast, if it were not for the Industrial Revolution.

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Firstly, the Industrial Revolution is not equivalent to the Capitalist Revolution. The emergence of the former may have been unleashed by the strivings of the latter, but the industrial revolution is a human achievement. The fundamental issue from my standpoint is who should own it all? Who gets to benefit? "Without the industrial revolution we'd still be using candles for light." That's a true statement, but DB is saying that it's a product of capitalism and if he wants capitalism unfettered then he is inferring that the capitalist ruling class gets to decide what and where as far as building society is concerned. It's equally as true to say that without human labour we'd still be swinging from the trees and eating bananas.

Try as you might, you won't untangle the conflict between labour and capital by unfettering the owners of capital, they're just human after all. There is no absolute who's right and who's wrong in this conflict. As Engels said, a ship needs a captain just as much as it needs a crew. But, "Biting the hand that feeds you" is such a patronising and dark ages statement as who is biting whose hand? Statistics may well have been grossly exaggerated or misrepresented about child labour during the early stages of the Industrial Revolution, but child labour, however you look at it was no picnic and it is far from the only issue and the majority of progress made by the working class has been fought for long and hard and was rarely freely given.


I guess you didn't read the essay either? Because whether you want to believe it or not, Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution walked hand in hand and were, are and will continue to be extremely essential to the quality of life, technological developments, jobs, market demand, wage increases, etc., that have fostered ever since. Just about ANYONE who lives in a Capitalist and/or Mixed Economy wants to make more capital. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. You can call it greed. But there's actually two kinds of greed, financially speaking. But for some reason, many people can't separate or distinguish between the two. One of course is the extremely selfish kind, which brings out the negative aspects of Capitalism and gives it a bad name sometimes. But the other, is the necessary kind, where productivity, pride in achievement and hard work drives people to flourish in a positive way...and THAT'S what makes the world go 'round. In comparison, Socialism/Communism doesn't give you that, does it? We have to remember that there is no perfect economic system, nor will there EVER be. But Capitalism is FAR superior to any economic system you can name. This is not even debatable. It's a shame that you seemingly don't understand Capitalism. And that's not only because you amazingly think it didn't play a HUGELY important role in the Industrial Revolution or that it wasn't embedded within this period, but also because in most cases, Capitalism only flourishes if the market (the people) allows it to...

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… child labour was, at that point in time, necessary. …

You are sick, aren't you?

Capitalism has an innate disease: exploitation. That was and still is the reason for child labor.

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Caputh wrote:
I thought he was trying to convey the opinion that child labour in Britain in the 19th century wasn't so bad after all and that we wouldn't be where we were today (wherever that is) if it wasn't for the industrial revolution.


You obviously didn't read the essay. Because what the essay was conveying was that, as bad as it was, child labour was, at that point in time, necessary. And it explicitly backs that up with compelling evidence and those crazy things called FACTS - which I know you Socialists just love to deny. :wink:

And yes, many technological developments wouldn't have happened, or at least as fast, if it were not for the Industrial Revolution.



In fact I did read the essay with some interest and don't see very much difference between the statement:
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that child labour in Britain in the 19th century wasn't so bad after all
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what the essay was conveying was that, as bad as it was, child labour was, at that point in time, necessary.

I am, however, perfectly prepared to agree that your gloss might be slightly more precise.

The article itself, however, IMO is an expression of an historical/opinion and not historical fact. There are other valid opinions around, some of whom the author has the grace to quote, though some might argue out of context.

BTW. as regards historical theory, I tend to reject Socialist/Communist method as being too rigid, though there are many who present an interesting view, just as many conservative historians do.

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All you need to know is Tesla was working on a free home delivery system and Edison was working on regulated system that could be gotten for a fee... :smoke:

This is NOT all you need to know about these two great inventors, they both had many great inventions still used today, I find it strange that you would reduce a mountain of knowledge to be gained from these to guys to your above statement.

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Tesla was experimenting with modulating electricity to radio waves. Totally wireless. Tune to the frequency and get the power.


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That's what I heard, anyway.


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Researchers of the Holocaust Memorial Museum have found there were 40,000 nazi camps and ghettos in Europe during WW2: a lot more than previous estimates.

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Researchers of the Holocaust Memorial Museum have found there were 40,000 nazi camps and ghettos in Europe during WW2: a lot more than previous estimates.


Interesting info - got a link?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a hoax, but it's a good story. I was wondering if Plook had any relatives in the Department of Defense? (Just joking, Plook - you know I love your spelling).
"CRESCENT CITY, CA — The Department of Defense has confirmed accusations that a $179 million military training program for mountain gorillas was created based on a spelling error in an email between two high ranking Army officers, according to official sources. The admission follows over a year of denials, which were originally sparked by a leaked copy of the email from an anonymous whistleblower."

http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/02/typo- ... z2MUjKShB1

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Tesla was experimenting with modulating electricity to radio waves. Totally wireless. Tune to the frequency and get the power.

Yes that was his vision.

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Sorry Caputh - read it on a Dutch news site.

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Got a Dutch link? Reading Dutch is easier for me than speaking it!

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I wouldn't be surprised if this was a hoax, but it's a good story. I was wondering if Plook had any relatives in the Department of Defense? (Just joking, Plook - you know I love your spelling).
"CRESCENT CITY, CA — The Department of Defense has confirmed accusations that a $179 million military training program for mountain gorillas was created based on a spelling error in an email between two high ranking Army officers, according to official sources. The admission follows over a year of denials, which were originally sparked by a leaked copy of the email from an anonymous whistleblower."

http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/02/typo- ... z2MUjKShB1

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Good luck Caputh!
http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2672/Wetenschap-Gezondheid/article/detail/3402908/2013/03/02/Nazikampen-en-getto-s-in-Europa-in-kaart-gebracht-aantallen-ongelofelijk-hoog.dhtml

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Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution walked hand in hand and were, are and will continue to be extremely essential to the quality of life,

The quality of whose life?
The people who had this land violently stolen from them? They were probably better off without the industrial revolution. The poor who work in wretched conditions and are slaves to all of the machines? Obviously not. They'd probably rather die from plague. I'm sure most of the slaves who built the railroads were not real excited about the industrial revolution. And it could be argued that factories and mines are not necessarily preferable to wilderness.

You must be talking about the quality of life for the rich and spoiled.


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Thanks, Bonnie. I'll fight my way through it and get back to you - someday :wink:

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Here's a more English-friendly version of the story:

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/03/holocaust_researchers_more_nazi_camps_than_we_knew/

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Disco Boy wrote:
Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution walked hand in hand and were, are and will continue to be extremely essential to the quality of life,

The quality of whose life?
The people who had this land violently stolen from them? They were probably better off without the industrial revolution. The poor who work in wretched conditions and are slaves to all of the machines? Obviously not. They'd probably rather die from plague. I'm sure most of the slaves who built the railroads were not real excited about the industrial revolution. And it could be argued that factories and mines are not necessarily preferable to wilderness.

You must be talking about the quality of life for the rich and spoiled.


I actually agree with dm. I take back some of what I've said about you in these and other pages. :wink:

Honey Boo Boo is deluded and clueless. His piss poor attempts to come off as somebody who thinks he knows what he's talking about have fallen shorter than a castrated short bus. :lol:

Anybody who uses an essay written by a guy who was inbedded in the Contra affair in Nicaragua during the Reagan years, apparently wasn't listening to what Frank Zappa had to say about them. What next? Disco Douche has a hard-on for Ollie North?

You're confusing capitolism for imperialism Disco Boo Boo.


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All you need to know is Tesla was working on a free home delivery system and Edison was working on regulated system that could be gotten for a fee... :smoke:

This is NOT all you need to know about these two great inventors, they both had many great inventions still used today, I find it strange that you would reduce a mountain of knowledge to be gained from these to guys to your above statement.



My only point here is, if you are wondering why Edison made so muchmoney and got so much credit, it was due to that basic reason... :smoke:


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I understand that it's like a religion to you.


Not at all. It's just astonishing to me that you don't seem to understand the fundamentals of it.

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… child labour was, at that point in time, necessary. …

You are sick, aren't you?

Capitalism has an innate disease: exploitation. That was and still is the reason for child labor.

Th.


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You didn't read it either, did you?

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The article itself, however, IMO is an expression of an historical/opinion and not historical fact. There are other valid opinions around, some of whom the author has the grace to quote, though some might argue out of context.


Oh...I see! So, if you don't agree with it, then it's just an opinion and not fact, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Gotcha.

Btw, do we have enough evidence showing that JFK was assassinated by more than one person? Or do we need even more evidence to be sure?

downer mydnyte wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution walked hand in hand and were, are and will continue to be extremely essential to the quality of life,

The quality of whose life?
The people who had this land violently stolen from them? They were probably better off without the industrial revolution. The poor who work in wretched conditions and are slaves to all of the machines? Obviously not. They'd probably rather die from plague. I'm sure most of the slaves who built the railroads were not real excited about the industrial revolution. And it could be argued that factories and mines are not necessarily preferable to wilderness.

You must be talking about the quality of life for the rich and spoiled.


I'm talking about the quality of life for the majority of human beings on planet earth.

But what you're doing is ignoring the benefits of Capitalism and concentrating on the negative aspects of it. I don't know why that is because the positives FAR outweigh the negatives. :roll:

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Honey Boo Boo is deluded and clueless. His piss poor attempts to come off as somebody who thinks he knows what he's talking about have fallen shorter than a castrated short bus. :lol:


This coming from someone who ACTUALLY thinks/believes/feels (bolded for newness):

~ ANYONE who wears a hoodie is a racist (when they're not)
~ I'm Isaac (when I'm not)
~ there's a significant difference between the Democrats & the Republicans (when there isn't)
~ there's no difference between Ron Paul's personal beliefs and his political platform (when there is)
~ Ron Paul is a racist (despite the OVERWHELMING evidence showing he isn't)
~ Ron Paul is a Republican (despite technically being a Libertarian)
~ the Ron Paul Revolution was a hoax (when it wasn't)
~ most of Ron Paul's supporters endorsed/joined the Romney/Ryan ticket because they hate black people (when most, if not all of them, didn't and don't)
~ Obama is some kind of saint...despite the FACT he's:
* flip-flopped and downright LIED about almost EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN '08 campaign promise
* owned and operated by the Military Industrial Complex (just like Romney)
* destroyed almost all of the 4th Amendment and part of the 1st Amendment
* has added $6.5 trillion to the debt - which is more than ANY other US President in history...and in only 3 1/2 years - which brings the total to $16.5 trillion
* doesn't know JACK SHIT ALL about economics or fiscal responsibility to save his life and hence is driving the US (and much of the world) into a double-dip recession that will make the current Housing Bubble Crisis look like a CAKE WALK
* wants stricter gun control laws, but is partially responsible for the killings of TENS OF THOUSANDS of innocent civilians through collateral damage throughout the Middle East and Afghanistan
~ figures by posting, re-posting and then re-posting again his nonsensical crap & BS claims about Ron Paul, that it provides leverage for his points (despite their baselessness)
~ Ayn Rand is a racist (despite NO compelling evidence showing this is true)
~ Capitalism had NOTHING to do with the Industrial Revolution

Yeah, I know. But don't laugh, folks...this fucker is serious...

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Anybody who uses an essay written by a guy who was inbedded in the Contra affair in Nicaragua during the Reagan years, apparently wasn't listening to what Frank Zappa had to say about them. What next? Disco Douche has a hard-on for Ollie North?


Once again, that essay was compiled from 16 different sources. What part of that don't you understand?

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You're confusing capitolism for imperialism Disco Boo Boo.


I am? Maybe you're right? What's "capitolism"?

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You must be talking about the quality of life for the rich and spoiled.


I'm talking about the quality of life for the majority of human beings on planet earth.

You live in a convenient little corner of the world and have seen nothing else in your miserable little life. So don't talk about things you know nothing about.

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The article itself, however, IMO is an expression of an historical/opinion and not historical fact. There are other valid opinions around, some of whom the author has the grace to quote, though some might argue out of context.


Oh...I see! So, if you don't agree with it, then it's just an opinion and not fact, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Gotcha.

Btw, do we have enough evidence showing that JFK was assassinated by more than one person? Or do we need even more evidence to be sure?



Please point me to the post which I made in which I stated that I didn't agree with your essay. I am saying it is an interesting opinion that is supported by some evidence. As the amount of secondary literature on the topic of child labour and the industrial revolution from left, centre and conservative historians is pretty enormous, I consider it unlikely that one fairly brief article is going to contain the absolute truth.

As to your second point I think it proves itself - of course we need more evidence (how can you have too much evidence btw?), particularly if we are going to establish the identity of the other assassins and we want to convince the fairly large group of people who tend to the belief that it was Oswald alone who killed Kennedy.

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