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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:36 pm 
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A concise summary of truth...

Truth is so easily summarized.


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They have been showing scenes from florida where there is a huge population of folks that fled Chavez , they are happy and tell a different story.

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They have been showing scenes from florida where there is a huge population of folks that fled Chavez , they are happy and tell a different story.

Before Chavez,that's where all the Venezuela oil money went.Not to the poor back home but to the rich in Miami!

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Socialism or communism will never overcome capitalism. China's new "growth" is all due to capitalism. What's the use of having a billion Chinese peasants if no one will enslave them?



The reason that China added a dash of capitalism, they got McDonalds and Walmart, thats all it took give the people some stuff and they never want to go back, most countries don't need to be invaded, just give them some of our stuff and presto chango instant captilism.

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McDonalds and Walmart are doing the Lord's work.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
McDonalds and Walmart are doing the Lord's work.



LMAO...yes they are...

On a side note I saw George Carlin Many years ago and he was talking about how the middle class was like the serfs and they gave us enough toys (boats, cars, motorcycles, etc...) to keep us happy and the homeles were around just to scare the shit out of us and keep us showing up for our jobs...

That is exactly what is going on full tilt right now, the man was like a prophet...who made you laugh...he always new what they were up to way before the truth finally came out.

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I don't agree with much I hear from Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky.

But today he is filibustering the appt of Brennan to head CIA.

He's seeking more than clarity around use of drones,

he's looking to expose all the secrecy surrounding executive power,

explaining how many ways the secret use of drones ignore and

nullify individual constitutional freedoms to due process,

habeus corpus etc. Good for him, at the link you can watch it.

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I don't agree with much I hear from Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky.

But today he is filibustering the appt of Brennan to head CIA.

He's seeking more than clarity around use of drones,

he's looking to expose all the secrecy surrounding executive power,

explaining how many ways the secret use of drones ignore and

nullify individual constitutional freedoms to due process,

habeus corpus etc. Good for him, at the link you can watch it.



I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but for some reason this is not understood...the national security briefings have stuff in there we will never know that causes the need for these attacks...the bad guys want to kill you and your family right down to your babies, they don’t like you even if you support them, they will cut your throat and everyone you loves.

President Obama didn't just change into some war monger, he would be out of this if he could, these actions hurt him with his crowd. He is doing it because of what he knows, that you and everyone else will never know...they are doing what must be done to protect you and everyone else.

Hell a group of congressional members who were going to vote to stop the strikes, got to read a redacted brief and changed their minds.

I guess some people will not get it until they Nuke a major city in Europe, then we will see what side the breads buttered on...
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No, plook. Fearmongering - they're out to get us - isn't a good enough excuse to dispense with the constitution.
No, plook. When Obama's term is done then we will have another president who you may not trust as much as O. This is why executive privilege claimed by any president is so fraught with danger. There will always be another guy that may not be as ... thoughtful or caring or regular as you may see the current guy being.
Granted, the technology exists and will be improved - all over the world.
So, why not come up with the sole reasons why, when and where, under what circumstances these things can be used. Before any Tom, Dick or Harry decides it's time to machine gun us in our seats. :mrgreen:
Think first, then make a plan. Then set laws, then uphold them.
Rushing to judgment based on fears and 'likes' is not a thoughtful plan.

[edit: looks like Paul went for a pee break]

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I believe Sen.Rand Paul is droning on (pun intended) about drones being used to kill Americans on American soil.That has not been clarified and nut or not I applaude his effort for more transparency in the Drone debate.
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[edit: looks like Paul went for a pee break]

We all gotta go sometime. :lol:

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simplex II wrote:
I don't agree with much I hear from Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky.

But today he is filibustering the appt of Brennan to head CIA.

He's seeking more than clarity around use of drones,

he's looking to expose all the secrecy surrounding executive power,

explaining how many ways the secret use of drones ignore and

nullify individual constitutional freedoms to due process,

habeus corpus etc. Good for him, at the link you can watch it.


Yeah. Good for him! It's not like they could have him destroyed if he was actually posing any real threat to their plans. I'm quite certain he is not just another stooge sent forth to distract the populace and give false hope to the desperate. Thanks, Rand! Thanks for showing us that we really can stand up as individuals and fight the power. If they, say, had us killed for speaking out against them I'm sure their bought and paid for media would expose it and a big shake up would occur.
Rand Paul is on the level. No doubt. Everything is going to get better. Drones will go away and we will all prosper.


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Right on downwer, you know it's true hah ha ha maniacal!


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HHHM

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Only the good die young.


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downer mydnyte, I share your bitterness, scepticism.

Had it last year, four years ago, eight years ago, ten, twenty years ago. More

But if you think you can eat an elephant all in one gulp, you'll likely just end up with a bloody mouth.
Been there, done that. I know that doesn't work.

Our best bet is to go at it one bite at a time. And all of us together working on the different parts,
we could make short work of it. Yes, there are numerous elephants, but one is the patriot act and it's addenda.
Another is the lack of campaign finance caps or regulation and the special interests that benefit from and encourage that corruption.
Another is the revolving door between Congress and Finance and their Elite factories - that produce no useful goods.
Another is climate science denial. Another is 'education' that pins it's basis on religious propaganda.
Another is the false media consortium keeping us dumb, in our place, fighting amongst ourselves, feeling hopeless as a result.

But you too can do this, pointing out the elephants.
Don't eat their shit like we have gotten used to doing.
Eat the elephant. Feed the politicians the shit.
Make them beg for it.
Or get bloodied, imprisoned, for trying to eat the whole thing in one gulp.

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None of the links I've provided state the opposite of my points of view. Please start educating yourself and stop buying into Socialist/Communist BS.


And I reply:
That's not what I said. You can't read correctly. Of course, you won't provide us links that say the opposite of what you keep telling
us on and on and on and on. And I didn't ask that you do it yourself. Reread !


YOU are the one who needs to re-read. Because what you initially said can easily be misinterpreted. And of course I won't provide you with links that say the opposite of what I'm saying because I think they're wrong. If you disagree with something I've said, it's YOUR job to provide compelling evidence to the contrary and hence, the burden of proof is on you...NOT me. :roll:

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Did it ever occurs to you that there are links will say
the exact opposite of what you say ? Did it ever occurs to you that they may be sometime right ? Don't tell, I already know your answer.


I analyze everything I can and take everything into account before forming opinions or conclusions. And I've explicitly gone over why my points are correct and why yours (and others) are not. You on the other hand, do the opposite and keep pissing in the wind.

Mij wrote:
You like to state "your" facts again and again, to the point that you can't no longer see "evidences" all around you.
The world collapses but you feel safe and secure in your capitalism mantra. Greed ? No comprendo !
And you like to give shit to those who'd like to open your eyes.
You are a parfait petit crétin !
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This coming from someone who doesn't back up his claims. Dude, you don't understand what Capitalism is. You're confusing Mixed Economies, Imperialism and Corporatism with Capitalism... :roll:

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Wrong...yet AGAIN.

And there is not even ONE word for word statement that I've made that Isaac has made, moron.


Yeah right... :roll:


Isaac just so happens to post about his Ayn Rand love fest on a blog elsewhere, at almost the exact same moment in time that you started discussing the exact same book here on this forum.


So fucking what? That doesn't PROVE a god damn thing. Ayn Rand has MILLIONS of fans.

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Give it up Isaac. The gigs up. You've been found out. :roll:


Good luck PROVING that, asshole.

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What predictions have I made that haven't come true?

Not one! All of your predictions are right on! I'm curious.... Is your father a lawyer? A judge? A shaman? A fortune teller? Just what does/did your father do for a living? What about your grandfather? What business was he in? If you don't mind me asking.


The question wasn't for you, asshole.

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without (capitalism), we'd be beyond fucked,

Right on, brother! Fuck yeah! Preach! Tell it like you think it is. Tell it like you wish it was. You are one in a billion. Like a savior. Can we nail you to a cross soon?

Summary of what I have learned from Disco Boy:

Obama is a capitalist. If you hate Obama you hate capitalism. Obama is in the business of making as much money for himself and his cronies as possible. That is capitalism. Obama/capitalism rules! Capitalism is the only way. It is the light! It is the truth and it is the answer. Praise Obama! Praise DiscoBalls and praise our factories, mills, mines and pipelines. Pipelines saved the whales, you know. Capitalism will save mankind! Repent, heathens! Repent and go to debate class.

What about this cure for HIV? I'm pretty sure capitalism cures the AIDS virus.


Well, incredibly silly exaggerations aside, at least you're starting to understand it. That's good... :roll:

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R.I.P. Hugo Chavez.

Capitalism will always prevail, because capitalism defends itself, and destroys others. No one will ever create a socialist imperialism, because there really isn't any money in that. Making up phony excuses to invade resource rich countries is what capitalism does...and if these countries by tradition do not practice usury, then so much the better for getting rid of them, sayeth the Western banks.

Socialism or communism will never overcome capitalism. China's new "growth" is all due to capitalism. What's the use of having a billion Chinese peasants if no one will enslave them?

Many socialist leaders come to power through the activation of the poorer peoples. Chavez was much loved by his people, but much hated by the dollar. Capitalism now salivates over all that oil under unstable political ground.

All wars are banker's wars.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... erwars.php


I usually agree with most of your posts and you do make some good points above...but defining or referring to Capitalism in the same light as Imperialism, Corporatism or the US Military Industrial Complex, is not ANYWHERE near the correct way of looking at or defining Capitalism accurately. However, I would admit that Capitalism has inadvertently aided the aforementioned three systems in some ways.

But I still don't understand why most here think Capitalism is evil, especially considering what I've explicitly gone over for it seems like pages now, not to mention the freedoms (or relative freedoms) it's given people. The majority of businesses are NOT greedy assholes trying to rip you or I off. They're mostly hard working people trying to make a living by creating capital for themselves and their families. There is NOTHING wrong with that. It should be beyond clear by now that if Capitalism never existed, Socialists/Communists would more than likely be running the world and we probably wouldn't even have the technology developed, let alone the freedom given to us for discussing these things on a message board, etc.

It's not Capitalism that destroys...it's Imperialism, Corporatism and the US Military Industrial Complex that does.

Btw, not all Venezuelans loved Chavez or his form of Democratic Socialism.

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Plook wrote:
simplex II wrote:
I don't agree with much I hear from Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky.

But today he is filibustering the appt of Brennan to head CIA.

He's seeking more than clarity around use of drones,

he's looking to expose all the secrecy surrounding executive power,

explaining how many ways the secret use of drones ignore and

nullify individual constitutional freedoms to due process,

habeus corpus etc. Good for him, at the link you can watch it.



I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but for some reason this is not understood...the national security briefings have stuff in there we will never know that causes the need for these attacks...the bad guys want to kill you and your family right down to your babies, they don’t like you even if you support them, they will cut your throat and everyone you loves.

President Obama didn't just change into some war monger, he would be out of this if he could, these actions hurt him with his crowd. He is doing it because of what he knows, that you and everyone else will never know...they are doing what must be done to protect you and everyone else.

Hell a group of congressional members who were going to vote to stop the strikes, got to read a redacted brief and changed their minds.

I guess some people will not get it until they Nuke a major city in Europe, then we will see what side the breads buttered on...
:smoke:



We agree more than you think, look what the W administration did, and there are many examples over the past 60 years and I am sure other misguided leaders will come in the future, that is the risk of our Democracy.

But I don't think President Obama was faking his first election and I think he wanted to close Gitmo and do all the other very left things.

But what ever the Terrorist are up to that is in those briefings must be some bad shit, because what is going on is so opposed to what the President has previously said he would do and it is not doing him any good with his base or legacy.

I am fully convinced they have some really good intel and that can't be shared because those resources are so hard to get and saying anything puts them at risk.

Lets just hope we never find out and everyone just gets to keep bitching, maybe in 30 years my kids will read about it…

Just look at it like this, if they would have followed the intel they had before 911 and captured the Hijackers and put them on trial secretly and militarily and summarily executed them, people would have screamed bloody murder.

Not know what would have happen even many of the people who died on that day and there now grieving families would have thought it an outrage.

Just as many do now, while they maintain our safety… :smoke:


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tweedle-dee wrote:
I don't know how many times this needs to be said, but for some reason this is not understood...the national security briefings have stuff in there we will never know that causes the need for these attacks...the bad guys want to kill you and your family right down to your babies, they don’t like you even if you support them, they will cut your throat and everyone you loves.

President Obama didn't just change into some war monger, he would be out of this if he could, these actions hurt him with his crowd. He is doing it because of what he knows, that you and everyone else will never know...they are doing what must be done to protect you and everyone else.

Hell a group of congressional members who were going to vote to stop the strikes, got to read a redacted brief and changed their minds.

I guess some people will not get it until they Nuke a major city in Europe, then we will see what side the breads buttered on...
:smoke:


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But I don't think President Obama was faking his first election and I think he wanted to close Gitmo and do all the other very left things.


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Obama ran on a Liberal Platform during 2008. But he's contradicted himself on just about EVERY single campaign promise since then. He needed the Liberal mask to get elected but after he was elected, since he's obviously been trying to socialize almost everything he can get his hands on coupled with the belief that most people mistakenly think Capitalism is evil and was the sole cause of the Housing Bubble Crisis, (despite the FACT it wasn't and was really caused by the particular type of Mixed Economy the US lives in), THAT'S what got him re-elected (oh...and so did those bitchin' Obamaphones)...

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Disco Boy is Isaac wrote:
Wrong...yet AGAIN.

And there is not even ONE word for word statement that I've made that Isaac has made, moron.


Yeah right... :roll:


Isaac just so happens to post about his Ayn Rand love fest on a blog elsewhere, at almost the exact same moment in time that you started discussing the exact same book here on this forum.


So fucking what? That doesn't PROVE a god damn thing. Ayn Rand has MILLIONS of fans.[/quote]


Another true Isaac-ism. :lol:

The more you post, the more obvious it is that, you are, in fact, and indeed, none other than the self-described "respected member". :lol:




If you weren't Isaac, you would even be more pathetic, just for agreeing with him and utilizing his exact same arguments, in most cases... One.More.Time.For.The.World.Word.For.Word.


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So fucking what? That doesn't PROVE a god damn thing. Ayn Rand has MILLIONS of fans.



Another true Isaac-ism. :lol:

The more you post, the more obvious it is that, you are, in fact, and indeed, none other than the self-described "respected member". :lol:




If you weren't Isaac, you would even be more pathetic, just for agreeing with him and utilizing his exact same arguments, in most cases... One.More.Time.For.The.World.Word.For.Word.


The more you post, the stupider I know you really are.

Once again, good luck PROVING any of your BS claims...

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I was going to write how the world is in bad shape, much worse when compared to what it was when I was young, and then tell myself "What the fuck ?" The little sucker still wants to believe what he believes in, in what he reads, instead of what is there outside and can easily be seen when one opens his eyes, and can be heard when you talk with ordinary peoples, struggling in that capitalism Wonderand.

Climate change ? An invention, it never occured, and Bush said so too !
More poor peoples ? That's their own faults, they're lazy !
Greedy men exploitations in 3rd world countries ? Just a tiny little unimportant thing, don't think about that !
That 1% ? Heroes, I want to kiss them all !
Invasions and wars ? Needed to make that capitalism machine run cool and civilize those sub-humans !
And on, and on, and on...

You know what ? There's not much Humanity in Capitalism. Humanity don't equal to money.
Problem is we're Humans !
And I don't care that you call it Mixed Economies, Imperialism and Corporatism, or Capitalism. It's all bad the way it is done now.
Greed is killing this planet and you don't want to see it.

So in case you break the ones you already have :
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DJGqryEMP0U/TvpEqTiiEyI/AAAAAAAABe0/wlqeomteItY/s1600/Pink_Heart_Glasses.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mundocadentro.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html&h=508&w=800&sz=178&tbnid=cuhx84YAzzBLKM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=139&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpink%2Bglasses%2Bpictures%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=pink+glasses+pictures&usg=__jGQoNRCDAGM8u3y8Dkfk0rHxAhY=&docid=Or8yJoTpXSfQVM&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=7CM4UbK0N8m20QGF3YGgAw&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQ9QEwBQ

Hey, bully, take your eyes off your screen and take a look outside, have a taste of reality, talk to ordinary peoples, not just the ones you choose to talk to. Your statistics don't tell the whole story. And, by the way, who writes them ? Some capitalists you admire ?
You're still a parfait crétin. :smoke:

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Mij wrote:
I was going to write how the world is in bad shape, much worse when compared to what it was when I was young, and then tell myself "What the fuck ?" The little sucker still wants to believe what he believes in, in what he reads, instead of what is there outside and can easily be seen when one opens his eyes, and can be heard when you talk with ordinary peoples, struggling in that capitalism Wonderand.

Climate change ? An invention, it never occured, and Bush said so too !
More poor peoples ? That's their own faults, they're lazy !
Greedy men exploitations in 3rd world countries ? Just a tiny little unimportant thing, don't think about that !
That 1% ? Heroes, I want to kiss them all !
Invasions and wars ? Needed to make that capitalism machine run cool and civilize those sub-humans !
And on, and on, and on...

You know what ? There's not much Humanity in Capitalism. Humanity don't equal to money.
Problem is we're Humans !
And I don't care that you call it Mixed Economies, Imperialism and Corporatism, or Capitalism. It's all bad the way it is done now.
Greed is killing this planet and you don't want to see it.

Hey, bully, take your eyes off your screen and take a look outside, have a taste of reality, talk to ordinary peoples, not just the ones you choose to talk to. Your statistics don't tell the whole story. And, by the way, who writes them ? Some capitalists you admire ?
You're still a parfait crétin. :smoke:


Your extreme ignorance is breathtaking. I'm NOT saying there aren't problems in the world. And I'm not saying things are perfect. But I am saying that Capitalism does NOT equal Imperialism, Corporatism or the US Military Industrial Complex, which is what you (and many here) seem to amazingly believe. There's a HUGE difference here. And history PROVES if we established Socialism and/or Communism, things would be MUCH worse.

What part of that don't you understand?!

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Call it what you want. It doesn't work !

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So fucking what? That doesn't PROVE a god damn thing. Ayn Rand has MILLIONS of fans.



Another true Isaac-ism. :lol:

The more you post, the more obvious it is that, you are, in fact, and indeed, none other than the self-described "respected member". :lol:




If you weren't Isaac, you would even be more pathetic, just for agreeing with him and utilizing his exact same arguments, in most cases... One.More.Time.For.The.World.Word.For.Word.


The more you post, the stupider I know you really are.

Once again, good luck PROVING any of your BS claims...


Just for shits and grins, and math...


If Ayn Rand has millions of followers, and Ron Paul has 10 million followers...what are the odds that...

1 - they would be a fan of the obscure Frank Zappa
2 - that they would actively post on an even more obscure Frank Zappa web forum
3 - that they would post identical word for word posts in several different forums and blogs, including both Frank zappa and Ralph Bakshi and comic book related nerd forums
4 - that they would engage in multiple arguments with multiple people on the same topics in said forums
5 - that they would use the exact same terminology and word for word insults
6 - that they would be both, Ayn Rand and Ron Paul fanatics at the same time disussing the exact same Ayn Rand book at exactly the same time in seemingly unrelated Frank Zappa and Ralph Bakshi forums
7 - that they would make a video of themslelf on Youtube (since deleted - he knew I was onto him), of the one guy, who, eulogises about Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, Socialism, Capitalism, Zappa, cartoons, collectivism

????????????


You'd have better odds being struck by lightning three times, while winning the Mega Millions Lottery jackpot several times and riding a tire-less unicycle acrossed the floor of the Altlantic Ocean while discovering the lost civilization of Atlantis.


I didn't have to do anything to prove that db is Isaac. He did that himself. Not exactly the sharpest tack in the prick pile.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:21 pm 
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A rope leash wrote:
Disco was capitalism, that's for sure.

You mean crapitalism?

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