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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:07 am 
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I don't feel that the album captures what they were all about at all during 1979/80

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Except for a couple of songs, the rest is not on par with what would be produced by that band...

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Not a bad debut for a bunch of 16-18 yr olds, but it doesn't stand up to the other 3 albums.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:02 pm 
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Meet the Beatles

While an impressive swath of early Brit-Pop, it doesn't hint at the potential of these four lads from Liverpool.


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Primus - Suck On This.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:15 am 
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Primus - Suck On This.

I was going to mention that, but I do think it holds some merit overall.


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Yeah but it's still a bit messy.

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Only the inclusion of the YYZ intro alone makes it worthy...

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I love the Primus debut album. The live version of Groundhog's Day on there is the tits.

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I love the Primus debut album. The live version of Groundhog's Day on there is the tits.


Yeah, 2nded. Suck On This wins the prize of "best live debut" by any band period.

I'm gonna go with Sleep's "Volume 1". There's a definite nod to the Melvins and it's not bad, but doesn't hold a candle to Holy Mountain & Dopesmoker. I don't think the band has even touched anything from that album since the '09 reunion shows started.


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On Safe As Milk:
you have got to be kidding :shock: . That album is an amazing debut. OK the few ballad-type tracks are filler, but the rest of it is awesome. I wonder what your thoughts on Freak Out are.

What about Neil Young's solo debut?
Some great songs scattered throughout, most which sounded better later on live versions, but it has some clunkers.


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Except for a couple of songs, the rest is not on par with what would be produced by that band...


This is truth.

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KUIII wrote:
Meet the Beatles

While an impressive swath of early Brit-Pop, it doesn't hint at the potential of these four lads from Liverpool.



I hear you but this has got to be one of the biggest game changers ever, right next to Elvis...I'm not sure anything else even gets in the zip code except maybe MJ's Thriller... :smoke:


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Except for a couple of songs, the rest is not on par with what would be produced by that band...
It makes you wonder what would have happened if Neil Peart had never joined them for their next album. On second thought, let's not wonder about it. It's too horrible even to think about. :(



White Music by XTC
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Not really a bad album but they got so much better later.

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Not really a bad album but they got so much better later.



Agree 100%, if the Beatles, Beach Boys, and Todd Rundgren had a baby it would have been XTC, most underrated band ever, no one else is even close... :smoke:


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ReetyAwrighty wrote:
It makes you wonder what would have happened if Neil Peart had never joined them for their next album. On second thought, let's not wonder about it. It's too horrible even to think about. :(


Rutsey was a MONSTER who drummed circle around Peart. The band supressed this information because they thought he was too handsome.

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Even though the songs on this album are all great, the band were not happy with the production quality.
In 1988 they tried re-recording the songs with Martin Birch, a real producer, but they only got as far
as Prowler and Charlotte the Harlot.

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Fred_Zappelin wrote:
On Safe As Milk:
you have got to be kidding :shock: . That album is an amazing debut. OK the few ballad-type tracks are filler, but the rest of it is awesome. I wonder what your thoughts on Freak Out are.

What about Neil Young's solo debut?
Some great songs scattered throughout, most which sounded better later on live versions, but it has some clunkers.


What I really mean about this being disappointing is that I don't believe that the recording captured how the band really sounded at that time. Some of the tracks are great versions, Call on Me is a perfect example. Abba Zabba is really well performed too. As is, oh hang on I guess a lot of the tracks are very well played. I think my biggest beef is the thin sound and the lack of umph on the original record.
Even Jerry Handley said on the Beefheart documentary that it was a disappointment compared to how Diddy Wah Diddy had been recorded and sounded.
I know about the problems with the mix down of SAM from the Grow Fins booklet and John French's autobiography and I think that this is the reason for my views.

Also, I got really used to the performance of Sure Enough and Electricity form the Cannes Beach festival (filmed in Jan '68) before I had really heard SAF and I think I felt that the performances on disc recorded 8 or 9 months prior were a bit weak. In hindsight, the band had not began crafting that rhythmic edge that became evident on the beach in France whilst in the studio for SAM

The track list is very strong but I think they could have been represented much better

I don't know, I'm in 2 minds. Maybe my original US vinyl is just shit sound quality? :|

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Voodoo_Butter wrote:
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Even though the songs on this album are all great, the band were not happy with the production quality.
In 1988 they tried re-recording the songs with Martin Birch, a real producer, but they only got as far
as Prowler and Charlotte the Harlot.


It's a shame that most of the comments that I read nowadays on Maiden fan forums about this album is the sound production. I can see where the criticism comes from but I still think it comes across really powerfully as a debut.
I've always found the album to be really energetic and Clive Burr (RIP) really drives each track. He was an excellent drummer.
Fortunately the album is a classic still because of the music but I can't deny that it would be great to hear those sessions had they been mixed by Martin Birch and sounding like Killers did. I mean actually recorded in early '80 but mixed by The Headmaster. I also really liked the mix of Women in Uniform and Invasion from October 1980.

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That's a lot like Kill 'Em All. Some great songs, but the production could be lots better.

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Freak Out, Mothers of Invention - how disappointing, after the guy with the moustache left foer that groundbreaking cameo in the Monkees' movie "Head" he became soo-oo-o much more relevant :wink: :mrgreen:

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