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So if ANYBODY qualifies as a hardcore Capitalist, Frank sure as fucking hell did...
FZ was a very successful petit bourgeois. He was not a major player in the US economy as a whole. Hence, not "hardcore".


FZ was a very successful petit bourgeois?! You HAVE to be joking?! :mrgreen:

And you don't have to be a major player in the US economy as a whole to be considered a hardcore Capitalist, especially since FZ owned 6 record labels/video companies and made TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS (capital) by recording and selling albums, singles & merchandise and by touring his ass off for 30 years. Not to mention, FZ couldn't stand Communism/Socialism (and that's a nice way of putting it). But then again, this is you and you don't even understand the meanings of the words, "capital" or "Capitalism." So any discussion past this point is ultimately pointless. :roll:

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Sorry weren't you trying to say the opposite ... or not ... which is it ... toss that coin again ...


You have quoted me twice and shown the world that on both occasions you've failed to actually read what's written. I did not make a claim one way or the other about percentages of population in one type of economy or another. US big business does not give a shit about government boundaries when it comes to imperialist behaviour, that's all I'm talking about. You obviously can't read. Nor can you even agree with yourself.


Wtf are you talking about? YOU made claims that are false and YOU the one contradicting yourself, not me. I've answered you clearly. But you're backpedaling, as usual. Here is that claim in your own words AGAIN:

"The fact that the majority of the people who live on this planet live in poverty and have had their lives reshaped for the worse by imperialists who only care about making profit."

:roll:

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Study up and hit the books...

I would suggest you try this yourself, but you'd better get reading lessons first.


Dude, you are so FAR beyond denial at this point...that if there was a God and he himself told you the correct definitions of the words "capital" & "Capitalism", you'd argue with him that he was wrong. :roll:

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Study up and hit the books...

polydigm wrote:
I would suggest you try this yourself, but you'd better get reading lessons first.

I suggest actual real life experience.
Take that textbook data out to the real world and see where it gets you. Try logging off.


That's not needed for understanding or explaining simple word definitions, etc. :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:14 am 
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That's not needed for understanding or explaining simple word definitions, etc.

But it sure makes the words more plausible.


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So if ANYBODY qualifies as a hardcore Capitalist, Frank sure as fucking hell did...
FZ was a very successful petit bourgeois. He was not a major player in the US economy as a whole. Hence, not "hardcore".
FZ was a very successful petit bourgeois?! You HAVE to be joking?! And you don't have to be a major player in the US economy as a whole to be considered a hardcore Capitalist...
Do you know what the term "petit bourgeois" means? Give us a definition in your own words before you challenge whether it's appropriate or not. In the end, what we're talking about is whether or not Capitalism can ever be truly equitable. However successful Frank Zappa was, he was not a US power broker, the powers that be "were not his friends". So, to be as successful as him and still to not have any major, lasting, impact on US politics, doesn't leave much for the remaining majority of us to hope for.

And whatever you edit out when you reply, most people here are not stupid enough to not go back and check what you're leaving out ... that's if they give a fuck in the first place ...
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YOU made claims that are false and YOU the one contradicting yourself, not me. I've answered you clearly. But you're backpedaling, as usual. Here is that claim in your own words AGAIN:"The fact that the majority of the people who live on this planet live in poverty and have had their lives reshaped for the worse by imperialists who only care about making profit."
You keep repeating this but you're not making any sense, I don't deny saying that, so what is it you think it's saying??

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You keep repeating this but you're not making any sense, ....


It's all part of his rinse and repeat...and rinse and repeat...and rinse and repeat....


I'm sure we'll get another One.More.Time.For.The.World....before the end of the weekend.


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I'm not saying Capitalism itself is evil. After all, we were all better off that Frank Zappa was born in a capitalist society rather than behind the Iron Curtain, where he would've been severely persecuted (just google "Plastic People of the Universe") and deprived of any chance of leaving behind even 1% of the recorded legacy he managed so impressively in the free world.

But Free Market Fundamentalism is a dark alley indeed and a very infuriating one at that to my mind. It's like some people put a lot of faith in the Invisible Hand/Unregulated Market/Laissez Faire etc dogmas. This whole Market Fundamentalism shit is a mind-virus, a pathological meme just as effective as Evangelical Christianity: capable of making its adherents totally devoid of reason(ability). So my opinion of a person like Disco Boy is that he's just got a rather infected mind. Zappa may have been libertarian, but he certainly didn't strike me like assorted mind-viruses could dampen his mind.

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Agreed EOM, that's another large and long nail on the head, yet with what probability will it connect with actual brain matter?

Capitalism, as the current opiate of the masses? Religion has two sides, gods have two major uses not just one. Believers can have faith in them, which hands over their own responsibility, which is just weak in my view, but, there's also the variety that keeps some "higher power" that can be blamed when things go wrong, but this also hands over their own responsibility, which is just as weak.

My feelings about capitalism do not involve throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Some of the freedoms (how "free" are we really?) are undeniable and thank you very much for the industrial revolution. But, looking back, when the barbarian hordes overran the failing Roman Empire, the last of the great slavery based states, and returned to their homelands, they didn't come back to what they had been driven away from, the landscape had radically changed, they changed with it and feudalism was the eventual result. That is, human civilisation didn't start again from scratch. In turn, when the rising middle class under feudalism, whose nascent political battles go back at least to the thirteenth century in the UK, eventually "overran" feudalism in the seventeenth century, four hundred years later, they didn't start again from scratch.

I'm just baffled at the capacity of apparently intelligent human beings to believe that history has reached some magical point at which it will now stop. I'm sure capitalism will eventually be overrun, I don't know how or when, any more than anyone before at least Oliver Cromwell knew how or when feudalism would be overrun. Does anyone believe the barbarian hordes had any idea that returning to their homelands after the fall of the Roman Empire would eventually lead to feudalism?

Of course, we may not get much further, because the current regime has reached the point of having significant global impact and we may just render ourselves extinct before managing to make any further progress historically speaking.

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downer mydnyte wrote:
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That's not needed for understanding or explaining simple word definitions, etc.

But it sure makes the words more plausible.


But since some people here don't understand them, plausibility is thrown out the window...

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FZ was a very successful petit bourgeois?! You HAVE to be joking?! And you don't have to be a major player in the US economy as a whole to be considered a hardcore Capitalist...
Do you know what the term "petit bourgeois" means? Give us a definition in your own words before you challenge whether it's appropriate or not.


Well, let's see:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/petit+bourgeois

pet·it bourgeois (pt; p-t)
n.
A member of the petite bourgeoisie.
[French petit-bourgeois : petit, small + bourgeois, bourgeois.]
pet·it-bour·geois adj.

petit bourgeois [ˈpɛtɪ ˈbʊəʒwɑː (French) pəti burʒwa]
n pl petits bourgeois [ˈpɛtɪ ˈbʊəʒwɑːz (French) pəti burʒwa]
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) Also called petite bourgeoisie petty bourgeoisie the section of the middle class with the lowest social status, generally composed of shopkeepers, lower clerical staff, etc.
2. (Sociology) a member of this stratum
adj
(Sociology) of, relating to, or characteristic of the petit bourgeois, esp indicating a sense of self-righteousness and a high degree of conformity to established standards of behaviour

pe•tit bour•geois (pəˈti bʊərˈʒwɑ; ˈpɛt i ˈbʊər ʒwɑ)

n., pl. pe•tits bour•geois (pəˈti bʊərˈʒwɑz; ˈpɛt i ˈbʊər ʒwɑz)
a person who belongs to the petite bourgeoisie.
[1855–60; < French]
petit′-bourgeois′, adj.


So you think he was a member of the middle class? :roll:

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In the end, what we're talking about is whether or not Capitalism can ever be truly equitable.


No, in the end, your opinion means NOTHING to me on this subject because you don't even fully understand what the words, "Capitalism" or "capital" mean. :roll:

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However successful Frank Zappa was, he was not a US power broker, the powers that be "were not his friends". So, to be as successful as him and still to not have any major, lasting, impact on US politics, doesn't leave much for the remaining majority of us to hope for.


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

You don't have to be on the level of a "power broker", or be friends with, "the powers that be", to be a Capitalist. And Frank Zappa was a Capitalist. We've already established these two things as FACTUAL.

Which part of that don't you understand? :roll:

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And whatever you edit out when you reply, most people here are not stupid enough to not go back and check what you're leaving out ... that's if they give a fuck in the first place ...


I didn't edit anything out. I've answered you clearly. :roll:

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YOU made claims that are false and YOU the one contradicting yourself, not me. I've answered you clearly. But you're backpedaling, as usual. Here is that claim in your own words AGAIN:"The fact that the majority of the people who live on this planet live in poverty and have had their lives reshaped for the worse by imperialists who only care about making profit."
You keep repeating this but you're not making any sense, I don't deny saying that, so what is it you think it's saying??


But you DID deny saying it in your last post. :roll:

And YOU are the one not making ANY sense, not me...

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I'm not saying Capitalism itself is evil. After all, we were all better off that Frank Zappa was born in a capitalist society rather than behind the Iron Curtain, where he would've been severely persecuted (just google "Plastic People of the Universe") and deprived of any chance of leaving behind even 1% of the recorded legacy he managed so impressively in the free world.

But Free Market Fundamentalism is a dark alley indeed and a very infuriating one at that to my mind. It's like some people put a lot of faith in the Invisible Hand/Unregulated Market/Laissez Faire etc dogmas. This whole Market Fundamentalism shit is a mind-virus, a pathological meme just as effective as Evangelical Christianity: capable of making its adherents totally devoid of reason(ability). So my opinion of a person like Disco Boy is that he's just got a rather infected mind. Zappa may have been libertarian, but he certainly didn't strike me like assorted mind-viruses could dampen his mind.


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Agreed EOM, that's another large and long nail on the head, yet with what probability will it connect with actual brain matter?

Capitalism, as the current opiate of the masses? Religion has two sides, gods have two major uses not just one. Believers can have faith in them, which hands over their own responsibility, which is just weak in my view, but, there's also the variety that keeps some "higher power" that can be blamed when things go wrong, but this also hands over their own responsibility, which is just as weak.

My feelings about capitalism do not involve throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Some of the freedoms (how "free" are we really?) are undeniable and thank you very much for the industrial revolution. But, looking back, when the barbarian hordes overran the failing Roman Empire, the last of the great slavery based states, and returned to their homelands, they didn't come back to what they had been driven away from, the landscape had radically changed, they changed with it and feudalism was the eventual result. That is, human civilisation didn't start again from scratch. In turn, when the rising middle class under feudalism, whose nascent political battles go back at least to the thirteenth century in the UK, eventually "overran" feudalism in the seventeenth century, four hundred years later, they didn't start again from scratch.

I'm just baffled at the capacity of apparently intelligent human beings to believe that history has reached some magical point at which it will now stop. I'm sure capitalism will eventually be overrun, I don't know how or when, any more than anyone before at least Oliver Cromwell knew how or when feudalism would be overrun. Does anyone believe the barbarian hordes had any idea that returning to their homelands after the fall of the Roman Empire would eventually lead to feudalism?

Of course, we may not get much further, because the current regime has reached the point of having significant global impact and we may just render ourselves extinct before managing to make any further progress historically speaking.


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So now we see very clearly. If you can't actually answer a criticism, you just repeat your own mantras in the hope that you'll just bludgeon your opponent into withdrawing from tedium. In fact, you don't have to say anything at all, you don't even have to read, just stick a picture label underneath and you're done. At least back when I first joined in to this debate your answers appeared to be somehow connected to what I was saying. We've reached the point now in your last post where there's no connection whatsoever. The closer we get to the knuckle, the less you're able to understand and manage an intelligent reply. Is English even your first language? (... rhetorical, don't answer ...)

BTW, whether you've found it or not, the term petit bourgeois also has the accepted meaning in economics to refer to a person who has moved beyond making money merely from his own labour but still works in the business. Yes, he had got to the point where he had generated a significant amount of capital. But we're talking millions, not billions, he probably could have retired early and made much more money purely from capitalistic pursuits and that would ultimately have classified him as truly bourgeois, but FZ himself was the substance of the business and was primarily an artist and he chose to continue working as such even in the face of losing significant amounts of money several times while pursuing his art as opposed to just pursuing profit for the sake of it.

You really aren't that subtle and your thoughts don't run that deep ... I don't know, it's your hairspray or something ...

... User Control Panel ... Manage Foes ... Add new foes: Disco Boy ... Submit ...

My only bugbear now will be whenever someone else quotes your crap. So, this is my apology to anyone else for whom I've been doing the same. That's the main reason I started this thread in the first place, so I could quote the guy without affecting anyone else's threads and showing it up to anyone who had him on ignore.

Here's hoping I manage to not fall off the wagon ...

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Hey Bully Boy...that's called getting served in Cali... :mrgreen:

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So now we see very clearly. If you can't actually answer a criticism, you just repeat your own mantras in the hope that you'll just bludgeon your opponent into withdrawing from tedium. In fact, you don't have to say anything at all, you don't even have to read, just stick a picture label underneath and you're done. At least back when I first joined in to this debate your answers appeared to be somehow connected to what I was saying. We've reached the point now in your last post where there's no connection whatsoever. The closer we get to the knuckle, the less you're able to understand and manage an intelligent reply. Is English even your first language? (... rhetorical, don't answer ...)


I've answered your questions clearly. It's just that you don't like the TRUTH hitting you right in the face, nor can you admit your shortcoming, especially regarding the meanings of very basic and simple words like "Capitalism" and "capital" - which is extremely ironic considering that those words are the essential ingredients in this thread in the first place. :roll:

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BTW, whether you've found it or not, the term petit bourgeois also has the accepted meaning in economics to refer to a person who has moved beyond making money merely from his own labour but still works in the business.


That's not what it means. Now you're making up yet ANOTHER definition of a word to suit your world views. :roll:

And apart from the beginnings of his career in the '60s, FZ was not "middle class", nor was his business on a small scale, considering he made a living by owning 6 record labels/video companies, recording albums, singles, selling merchandise and touring, which made him TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

polydigm wrote:
Yes, he had got to the point where he had generated a significant amount of capital. But we're talking millions, not billions, he probably could have retired early and made much more money purely from capitalistic pursuits and that would ultimately have classified him as truly bourgeois, but FZ himself was the substance of the business and was primarily an artist and he chose to continue working as such even in the face of losing significant amounts of money several times while pursuing his art as opposed to just pursuing profit for the sake of it.


Agreed (apart from him being considered bourgeois). But regardless, Frank Zappa was still a Capitalist. :roll:

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You really aren't that subtle and your thoughts don't run that deep ... I don't know, it's your hairspray or something ...

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My only bugbear now will be whenever someone else quotes your crap. So, this is my apology to anyone else for whom I've been doing the same. That's the main reason I started this thread in the first place, so I could quote the guy without affecting anyone else's threads and showing it up to anyone who had him on ignore.

Here's hoping I manage to not fall off the wagon ...


Pleas stop going 'round & 'round in circles and embarrassing yourself. ANYONE paying attention knows that you have no CLUE as to what "Capitalism" is, nor what words like, "capital" or "petit bourgeois" mean. And hence your opinions relating to these things mean NOTHING... :roll:

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Hey Bully Boy...that's called getting served in Cali... :mrgreen:

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If that's the case, then, "getting served in Cali" sure is fucking hilarious. :roll:

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you have no CLUE as to what "Capitalism" is, nor what words like, "capital" or "petit bourgeois"
have to agree, go back & re-read part 2 [sociology] of db's original definition after reading this quote; petit bourgeois does not apply to an uncommonly creative capitalist who maintains control of his own bizniz and artistic affairs with a minimum of outside interference:


fz, ~1969 wrote:

... I thought it was one of the greatest things I ever heard in my life. He was really laying
it on the radio broadcasters, talking about what he calls the "affluent peasants" of the United
States who have achieved a certain amount of middle class economic status, have a couple
of cars, and a color television set, and along with this superficial wealth that they've acquired,
they didn't have a cultural background to appreciate any of the better things that you could
have, if you suddenly had some money in your pocket. And they're desperately afraid that they're
going to lose what they do have ...


r.o.t.s.o. another thread where the actual bullies - plook, poly, spacebro, downer, miss any ¿ - get owned [some more] ... you'll love it, it's a zappa-forum way of life

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Sheesh Slime. Why are you standing up for this guy again? Wasn't it you who sent me a pm to help you to, in your own words, "bury the fucker"? Why the change of heart lately? You do remember when he went off on his "kill Isaac" tangent that followed his 227 posts in two days, and the chat that ensued, right? :?



edit - I realise that Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:04 am was a while back...but.... :?


You've always been a decent guy on the forum, and it's not my intention to spar with you about anything, so I hope you don't take offense at my bringing up the pm you sent me. :?


edit part duex - perhaps this will jog some memories ------> viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13891

edit part trois - where have we seen this kind of posting lately? -------> viewtopic.php?p=341364#p341364

edit part quad - self-explanatory -------> viewtopic.php?p=396524#p396524


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Sheesh Slime...

... Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:04 am was a while back...but....


... edit part duex - perhaps this will jog some memories


galoot changed the title of the thread on oct-31-2012 at 2:31 pst, check the 2 previous post subjects; your zero-credibility just dropped to -1, no offense at my pointing this out


you really miss that guy, fucking sad

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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
spaced bro wrote:
Sheesh Slime...

... Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:04 am was a while back...but....


... edit part duex - perhaps this will jog some memories


galoot changed the title of the thread on oct-31-2012 at 2:31 pst, check the 2 previous post subjects; your zero-credibility just dropped to -1, no offense at my pointing this out


you really miss that guy, fucking sad



How can I miss that guy when he never left? :roll:


No need to worry about offending me about your opinion of my credibility btw. You've participated in more than your share of this stuff as well, so.... I've saved all of my pm's....and perhaps you did too... so, if you really want to go there, I have absolutely no problem with that... :roll:


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you have no CLUE as to what "Capitalism" is, nor what words like, "capital" or "petit bourgeois"
have to agree, go back & re-read part 2 [sociology] of db's original definition after reading this quote; petit bourgeois does not apply to an uncommonly creative capitalist who maintains control of his own bizniz and artistic affairs with a minimum of outside interference:
Wow, that's out of left field. Up until this I've had the utmost respect for you. DB was trying to say FZ was a "hard core" capitalist. You can fuck around with semantics all you like, but all I was referring to was the marxist definition of petit bourgeois and doing that just to distinguish FZ from the main power brokers of capitalism. Maybe I was being somewhat inaccurate, but when marxists speak of the struggle between capital and labour and refer to the bourgeois ruling class, they're not talking about individuals like Frank Zappa. Really, for experienced political scientists this is just abc. The point I've been trying to make all along is merely that capitalism is not equitable. A small group of extremely rich individuals get to rule the roost. FZ was not one of those, clearly.
fz, ~1969 wrote:

... I thought it was one of the greatest things I ever heard in my life. He was really laying
it on the radio broadcasters, talking about what he calls the "affluent peasants" of the United
States who have achieved a certain amount of middle class economic status, have a couple
of cars, and a color television set, and along with this superficial wealth that they've acquired,
they didn't have a cultural background to appreciate any of the better things that you could
have, if you suddenly had some money in your pocket. And they're desperately afraid that they're
going to lose what they do have ...
So what? The argument is about whether or not capitalism is the way forward. Is it really the best thing we can manage? FZ is an exception, he's not the rule.
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r.o.t.s.o. another thread where the actual bullies - plook, poly, spacebro, downer, miss any ¿ - get owned [some more] ... you'll love it, it's a zappa-forum way of life
You're calling me a bully now? You believe I've been owned by DB? I joined in when I made the mistake of reading some of DB's ridiculous bullshit and I've taken it into my own thread to keep it away from people who don't come here for this argument. I'm trying not to read any of his crap again, but I'm really surprised to hear this coming from you. I believe in the arguments I've presented here and I will continue to stand by them. I don't use the tactics DB uses, I just stick to my beliefs. I'm baffled with what you've just done here.

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for people who don't know

the R party in the US has always been the party of the rich

if you didn't catch that as commonly portrayed on things like Boardwalk Empire etc. -- the ones that brought us prohibition, or earlier corruption like Tammany Hall et al. ...

Thom Hartmann gave a digest overview yesterday answering a call

the R party has always been the party of the wealthiest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... APlTHnxN0A

:::: learn your history or keep repeating it ::::

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spaced bro wrote:
... I've saved all of my pm's....and perhaps you did too... so, if you really want to go there, I have absolutely no problem with that... :roll:

no saved pm's or sent messages from that day, except 1 from someone else; shouldn't be any skeletons, my vote on that thread was a generic vote against banning, this was before the meltdown and all death threat threads ... are you trying to relate that to this thread ¿

yes, we ganged-up & participated in an an epic thread-bumping battle that day triggering the meltdown, way too much editing of topic titles to accurately figure out what happened; bottom line: db is not isaac, mikey woulda locked him out long ago



mij aka isaac wrote:
... i never said that ...
thinman aka isaac wrote:
... i never said that ...
thinman aka isaac wrote:
... i never said that ...
plook aka isaac wrote:
... i never said that ...
penguininbondage aka isaac wrote:
... i never said that ...
falsedichotomy aka isaac wrote:
... i never said that ...
falsedichotomy aka isaac wrote:
... i never said that ...



Quote:
jim: hey, hey ...
mark: hey, listen to me ... tell him : we are not groupies!
howard [aka isaac]: no, i never ... i never said that...
mark: we're not groupies! you better understand ... i told robert plant it, i told elton john, i told all those big capitalist guys . . .
howard: robert planet ?!

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There's a lot more to the story than just the "I never said that" phrase frequently used by isaac, when he posted under his own name here before getting banned...


After several months of observing db's posting habits here on the forum, I've noticed some patterns...one in particular being that the majority of the time he posts here, it's always between 11 PM and 1AM est. To me that would indicate two likely scenarios... limited internet access, or the use of a computer with a different ip address to be more specific. Thats the first clue. :wink:

The second clue is db's liberal usage of the names tweedle dee and tweedle dumb while making points favorable towards Ron paul. Isaac posted a youtube video of himself a while back, praising on paul, while using the names tweedle dee and tweedle dumb regarding Obama and Romney. It's also odd that almost immediately after I posted that connection and here, the video suddenly was yanked. GC saw it before he pulled it down, as I'm sure others have. Coincidence? No fucking way....but thats not all... :wink:

The third clue is, by doing some side by side comparisons between dbs arguments and insults and the flagrant posting of some of the same images here in the Breaking News thread, the Ron Paul thread, the Capitalism thread, the Political Opinions and Solutions thread, Hophopliberatarians, Ralph Bakshi forum, Isaacs twitter feed, Facebook and Myspace pages, and the impeccable timing between the two's oddly similar posts is more han mere coincidence. :wink:

The fourth clue is that not unlike isaac, db has inserted the center as the of attention on several threads....but wait...there's more...many many more... :wink: :wink:

Fifth clue: on the subject of Ayn Rand

db said - viewtopic.php?p=569223#p569223

ib said - http://isaacbaranoff.wordpress.com/2012 ... ed-part-i/

Sixth clue: on the subject of Gary Johnson and Kenyesians

db said - viewtopic.php?p=542983#p542983 and viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21195&p=556541&hilit=gary+johnson#p556541

ib said - http://hiphoplibertarians.blogspot.com/ ... -gary.html

...somebody said that if those two are one in the same, that they would listen to the Thana Harris vocal version of Sleepdirt in constant rotation for a year... you'd better keep your copy of the Ryko CD warm, and you might want to stock up on popcorn as well. It's about to get hilarious up in here...consider this Phase One of my db is ib list...


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couldn't say where he's coming' from,
but i just met a lady named slimey-moe humm

he strolled on over, say look here, bum,
got a $50 bill say you can't make me dum
[y'just can't do it]

made a bet with spacebro' who's a little bit dumb
he could prove it any time db was scum



50 american dollars, genuine cash money [the capitalist choice] for non-speculational proof db = isaac

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I'll get to that soon enough Mr Slime, in due time my friend...a little patience. I'm going to let him sweat it out for a minute. As with any good punchline, timing is of the essence. :smoke:


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Dear Sir,

Re your article posted on the 24th of March entitled "Das Capitalist".
Grammatically incorrect and wrongly spelled - it should be " der Kapitalist". Though why the Czechs (or anybody in Eastern Europe) should be speaking German is beyond me; the Sudeten Germans were expelled in 1945!

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Dr. Pedant (rtd)

P.S. Also I can't read the article - the print is too small.

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