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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:08 am 
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Any people of any race - in fact!

Reclaim it so that it's still an insult. But one that means (solely) "idiot / contemptible person" and has nothing to do with race. Though it will of course retain its suggestion of pathological murderous hatred for the person(s) it is specifically being directed at.

How many "rude words" with two or more syllables (that's really important) can you name that fit all these criteria
(a) the combination of an extremely inflammatory social history and a multiplicity of contradictory meanings which render it technically meaningless in the present day.
(b) the all-important factor of sounding like a painful squeeze and hard punch in the sensitive areas
(c) a peculiar attractiveness to the tongue, palate and oesoephagus when spoken.

The only other word I can think of that does all this is...FAGGOT. Which also should be reclaimed, as above.

To go back to point (a) above - anyone who says that it has all the same meanings on this day in 2013 as it did in 1983 - let alone the dark ages of 1883 or 1803 - cannot be thinking straight.

That is the kind of resistance we will meet if we attempt this,of course. But...our argument against this, the argument which we will have to present to self-appointed censors from moderators to policemen (both of whom - without exception - deserve all the verbal abuse we can muster), is a simple one, which no human being with an individual psyche should ever question. It is this:-

"When I say something, you do not have the right to tell me I mean something by it, other than whatever I say I mean by it. I spoke, you listened, end of.
For you to tell me you know, and I do not know, what I meant when I said something is the ultimate deadly insult, far surpassing any historically-charged language in the world."


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:02 am 
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cyst-array wrote:
"When I say something, you do not have the right to tell me I mean something by it, other than whatever I say I mean by it. I spoke, you listened, end of.
For you to tell me you know, and I do not know, what I meant when I said something is the ultimate deadly insult, far surpassing any historically-charged language in the world."



Yes, this is obviously far more insulting than attempted murder, rape, killing someone's family, stealing or destroying someone's property, pissing on someone when they are asleep... I know none of those would offend me nearly as much as someone telling me I meant something other than what I meant. And since it is the ultimate deadly insult, I am sure doing so would probably kill me.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:14 am 
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The use of these words always tells me much more about the insulter than the insultee.

Why do you need these "rude words"? What is your intent behind these words? Who are you trying to demean in order to make yourself feel better?

Culture determines the positive and negative connotations of words. The individual speaker knows this, and uses such words at his/her own risk.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:49 am 
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I've noticed that cyst-array is a internet troll.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:45 am 
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calvin2hikers wrote:
I've noticed that cyst-array is a internet troll.


Yeah, I started reading his other posts after I responded and thought, "Is he yanking our chain just like the guy who claimed 2Pac was the black FZ?"
Bitter socialist Watsonmongers just push my buttons too easily :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:18 pm 
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FalseDichotomy wrote:
The use of these words always tells me much more about the insulter than the insultee.

Why do you need these "rude words"? What is your intent behind these words? Who are you trying to demean in order to make yourself feel better?

Culture determines the positive and negative connotations of words. The individual speaker knows this, and uses such words at his/her own risk.



What a sad and pathetic excuse for a thread....

" The world is full of assholes, they strut and abuse
They disrespect women, they haven't got clues
I, intrepid pacifist, would welcome their demise
I'd speed it along, I'd sautee their eyes
Assholes in a pot boiling
I'd pay to see and buy a ticket for thee
Let's watch them die, let's watch, you and I

Homophobes and racists: fuckers and jerks
I'll sponsor their castrations and peelings of smirks
I, intrepid pacifist, would yank out their lungs
The chisel I'd wield, to chunk out their tongues

Assholes in a pit, buried
The shovel I'll bring
With glee I will sing
Let's watch them die
Let's watch, you and I"

~ Lyrics by Mike Keneally from the song "Vent" from "Half Alive in Hollywood".


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:02 am 
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cyst-array wrote:
Any people of any race - in fact!

Reclaim it so that it's still an insult. But one that means (solely) "idiot / contemptible person" and has nothing to do with race. Though it will of course retain its suggestion of pathological murderous hatred for the person(s) it is specifically being directed at.

How many "rude words" with two or more syllables (that's really important) can you name that fit all these criteria
(a) the combination of an extremely inflammatory social history and a multiplicity of contradictory meanings which render it technically meaningless in the present day.
(b) the all-important factor of sounding like a painful squeeze and hard punch in the sensitive areas
(c) a peculiar attractiveness to the tongue, palate and oesoephagus when spoken.

The only other word I can think of that does all this is...FAGGOT. Which also should be reclaimed, as above.

To go back to point (a) above - anyone who says that it has all the same meanings on this day in 2013 as it did in 1983 - let alone the dark ages of 1883 or 1803 - cannot be thinking straight.

That is the kind of resistance we will meet if we attempt this,of course. But...our argument against this, the argument which we will have to present to self-appointed censors from moderators to policemen (both of whom - without exception - deserve all the verbal abuse we can muster), is a simple one, which no human being with an individual psyche should ever question. It is this:-

"When I say something, you do not have the right to tell me I mean something by it, other than whatever I say I mean by it. I spoke, you listened, end of.
For you to tell me you know, and I do not know, what I meant when I said something is the ultimate deadly insult, far surpassing any historically-charged language in the world."

Thank you for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts, fucktard...

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Now there's a term we don't have to reclaim and is as useful as ever. Fucktard. :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:01 am 
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If someone is an asshole, just call them an asshole. No point in trying to "take back" a two hundred year old slang term. That's fucking stupid. Language evolves, let that word slowly fade out (even though today's so called "rappers" still use it). Seriously though, fuck it. It's not worth the hassle. You gonna bring back Porch Monkey as well Dante?

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I'm with the schvanzy, that word has evolved into nothing but a hate word and there are a lot better ones than that, fucktard! :roll:

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