Zappa.com

The Official Frank Zappa Messageboards
It is currently Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:00 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 562 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 23  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:09 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 7:29 pm
Posts: 9601
dcb, piling on, wrote:
... (according to slime.oofytv.set).
everyone on this forum may be an oc, don't kid yerself

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:03 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:41 am
Posts: 452
Location: Centerville, Norway
slime.oofytv.set wrote:
dcb, piling on, wrote:
... (according to slime.oofytv.set).
everyone on this forum may be an oc, don't kid yerself

Especially when they call intelligent, educated people with a sense of logic and respect for reasoned argumentation "moron" or "complete fucking idiot".

Maybe I will go into this more when I have some time to spare in front of a computer, instead of stolen moments with a cell phone.

The aporias of Disco Boy must be addressed.

_________________
If I'm not alone... I wonder if I've been asleep?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:48 pm
Posts: 21246
Location: Somewhere in time
DC Boogie wrote:
slime.oofytv.set wrote:
dcb, piling on, wrote:
... (according to slime.oofytv.set).
everyone on this forum may be an oc, don't kid yerself

Especially when they call intelligent, educated people with a sense of logic and respect for reasoned argumentation "moron" or "complete fucking idiot".

Maybe I will go into this more when I have some time to spare in front of a computer, instead of stolen moments with a cell phone.

The aporias of Disco Boy must be addressed.



Amen!

Just like a psychopath or a bully... :smoke:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:11 pm
Posts: 3643
Location: Vancouver, BC
DC Boogie wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
DC Boogie wrote:
BACKPEDALING.

The new way of reading Disco Boy: Whenever he accuses someone else, he's really commenting on his own shortcomings. What self-insight!


What an excellent retort! Just like almost everyone else here, you provide no compelling evidence or proof supporting your case! You're a natural! No one will be able to fuck with you now...

Well I didn't see you backing up with evidence when you called me an asshole, OBNOXIOUS CUNT (according to slime.oofytv.set).


Well, in that case, none was needed, as it was perfectly obvious, asshole (and no, slime didn't call me an "obnoxious cunt" - read what he wrote again)...

DC Boogie wrote:
slime.oofytv.set wrote:
dcb, piling on, wrote:
... (according to slime.oofytv.set).
everyone on this forum may be an oc, don't kid yerself

Especially when they call intelligent, educated people with a sense of logic and respect for reasoned argumentation "moron" or "complete fucking idiot".

Maybe I will go into this more when I have some time to spare in front of a computer, instead of stolen moments with a cell phone.

The aporias of Disco Boy must be addressed.


I sure as hell hope you go into this more when you have some time to spare. Because I would think if the people you are referring to are, "...intelligent, educated people with a sense of logic and respect for reasoned argumentation...", they'd know the definitions of extremely basic words like "Capitalism" , "capital" or even "petit bourgeois" (though, I must admit, I had to look this one up)...

tweedle-dee wrote:
Amen!

Just like a psychopath or a bully... :smoke:


Or just like a SPINELESS WEASEL who can't admit when they're wrong...

_________________
:53 - :57...

"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:27 pm
Posts: 5816
Location: echoing through the canyons of your mind
Anybody want to up the ante?

Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: re: easy money
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 7:29 pm
Posts: 9601
Image

your admirers in the street
gotta hoot and stamp their feet
in the heat from your physique
as you twinkle by in python sneakers

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:52 pm
Posts: 1959
Disco Boy is stuck in a loop of angry intent. He is frustrated by people who do not read well, and do not have the same information sources as he does. Everyone has a bias, but yelling and kicking and screaming does not spread one's particular bias. Disco Boy has the same frustrations as I do...it's difficult to get brain-dead corporate media victims to see the light.

Why he keeps trying, I have no idea. The war is over, as far as I'm concerned. The Stupids won.

As for Disco Boy being Isaac, who cares, and if anyone is Isaac, it's the SPACEBROTHER forum entity. If we go back and look at Isaac's very irritating harassment of me back when I was Shark Barker we can see that Isaac's views are more closely aligned with the SPACEBROTHER forum entity's than they are with Disco Boy's...that is, pre-formed pabulum garnered from years of watching televisions and listening to newstalk radio. They did not form their opinions so much as have their opinions handed to them.

What I don't get is why anyone would get upset over Disco Boy, when SPACEBROTHER has a very similar style...lots of quoting, photos, taunts, insults, name-calling...the shit flys both ways...so why pick sides, other than one asshole seems to fit better?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:19 am
Posts: 4919
Location: in deepest, darkest Germany
A rope leash wrote:

What I don't get is why anyone would get upset over Disco Boy, when SPACEBROTHER has a very similar style...lots of quoting, photos, taunts, insults, name-calling...the shit flys both ways...so why pick sides, other than one asshole seems to fit better?


It might depend on who is doing the attacking, who is being attacked, how quickly they are attacked, how many are being attacked and how amusing one finds being attacked as to whether people get upset or not.

_________________
"I have learned from my mistakes, and I am sure I can repeat them exactly."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:11 am
Posts: 3607
Issac is spacebro you guys haven't figured that out yet.

_________________
A government Bureau is the closest thing to eternal life on earth that you will ever see


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:41 am
Posts: 452
Location: Centerville, Norway
A rope leash wrote:
What I don't get is why anyone would get upset over Disco Boy, when SPACEBROTHER has a very similar style...lots of quoting, photos, taunts, insults, name-calling...the shit flys both ways...so why pick sides, other than one asshole seems to fit better?

Hard to say, and mind you --

Caputh never said that it depends on who is doing the attacking, who is being attacked, how quickly they are attacked, how many are being attacked and how amusing one finds being attacked as to whether people get upset or not!

:wink:

_________________
If I'm not alone... I wonder if I've been asleep?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:48 pm
Posts: 21246
Location: Somewhere in time
This will teach you everything you need to know...

The Dead Cow Lecture

First-year students at the Purdue Vet School were attending their first anatomy class with a real dead cow. They all gathered around the surgery table with the body covered with a white sheet.

The professor started the class by telling them, "In Veterinary medicine it is necessary to have two important qualities as a doctor. The first is that you not be disgusted by anything involving the animal’s body." For an example, the professor pulled back the sheet, stuck his finger in the butt of the cow, withdrew it, and stuck his finger in his mouth. "Go ahead and do the same thing," he told his students.

The students freaked out, hesitated for several minutes, but eventually took turns sticking a finger in the butt of the dead cow and sucking on it.

When everyone finished, the Professor looked a them and said, "The second most important quality is observation. I stuck in my middle finger and sucked on my index finger. Now learn to pay attention. Life's tough but it's even tougher if you're stupid."


It's simple guys like Bully Boy and Rope are the Students and Fox is the Teacher, but Fox never points out what finger they are licking so these guys keep licking shit, spewing shit, and are full of shit... :smoke:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:11 am
Posts: 3607
Sounds more like network news, plus, i'm guessing all your fingers stink

_________________
A government Bureau is the closest thing to eternal life on earth that you will ever see


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:27 pm
Posts: 5816
Location: echoing through the canyons of your mind
I like plooks analogy. Funny and true at the same time. 8)

BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Issac is spacebro you guys haven't figured that out yet.


DC Boogie wrote:
A rope leash wrote:
What I don't get is why anyone would get upset over Disco Boy, when SPACEBROTHER has a very similar style...lots of quoting, photos, taunts, insults, name-calling...the shit flys both ways...so why pick sides, other than one asshole seems to fit better?

Hard to say, and mind you --

Caputh never said that it depends on who is doing the attacking, who is being attacked, how quickly they are attacked, how many are being attacked and how amusing one finds being attacked as to whether people get upset or not!

:wink:



lol


Who wants in? Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:41 am
Posts: 452
Location: Centerville, Norway
Back on topic --

Disco Boy wrote:
Capitalism works fine and always has. History PROVES this. The Industrial Revolution, the Roaring Twenties, Mussolini's Italy of the early-mid '20s and more recently with Chile, are the best examples.

How can Mussolini's Italy be an example of Capitalism at its best, when Fascism's ideal society is an authoritarian state with corporations as the major players in the economy?

_________________
If I'm not alone... I wonder if I've been asleep?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:19 am
Posts: 4919
Location: in deepest, darkest Germany
I've had this discussion with DB already. He is referring to a three year period when Mussolini had a finance minister, De' Stefani, from 1922-25.

Professor Denis Mack Smith in his excellent biography of Mussolini writes on this subject in a rather more ambivalent fashion (as well he might IMO):

"The first fascist minister of finance was De' Stefani, whose views as a free-trader and whose belief in liberalizing the economy appealed to some industrialists, though not all. Mussolini supported this liberalizing policy and continued for a time to assert that the state should be kept out of the conomic life of the nation; indeed that government intervention was 'absolutely ruinous to the development of the economy'. Other fascists, on the contrary, preached state intervention on a very big scale. At first there was a move to let private capitalists own a share of life insurance and the telephone system, both hitherto government monopolies, but in other fields the opposite tendency prevailed almost from the beginning.

De' Stefani succeeded in more or less balancing the budget after three years of a relatively liberal economic regime and his policy gave impetus to an economic revival that had begun before fascism took over. The first motorway in Europe was built in 1923, from Milan to the lakes. The railway system, which had been badly run down during the First World War, was much improved, and the claim was advanced that Italian trains were the envy of all Europe. This was an exaggeration, but Mussolini did his best to make the train service into a symbol of fascist efficiency and managed to conceal that much had been done before 1922 in repairing railway beds and rolling stock. His propaganda was very successful, yet some travellers reported that the celebrated trains running invariably on time were, to some extent at least, a convienient myth.

It was always his habit to get rid of ministers if ever they became either too popular or unpopular. De' Stefani's economy drive was bound to invite unpopularity by clashing with the corruption and extravagence of a fascist regime that, while claiming to reduce an inflated bureaucracy, needed to to do precisely the opposite in order to reward personal 'clients' and followers. The minister was compelled to revive Giotto's policy of curbing tax evasion and this was strongly resented, as were his refusal to increase hand-outs to the militia and to fascist newspapers and his attempt to limit stock exchange speculation; moreover, his free trade policies were far from helpful to a heavy industry accustomed to government subsidies and high tariff production. Here was one of the few ministers, in twenty-three years of fascism, who was of above-average competence and matched most of his predecessors in intelligence and honesty; but these were not qualities greatly prized by Mussolini, who soon allowed rivals to discredit a useful scapegoat."
(Denis Mack Smith Mussolini, London, 1981, p. 135-136).

So, according to Mack Smith, De' Stefani was "of above average competence" and, after three years of "fairly liberal" economic policy, succeded in balancing the budget (admittedly a fairly considerable feat in Italy), a stretch of motorway was built and the trains ran on time a bit more often.

Disco Boy's view is that Mussolini's and De' Stefani's economic policy is proof that capitalism is the ideal economic system.

However, I tend to the opinion that it is, in addition, ignoring the fact that the Fascists exerted considerable terror on anyone opposed to their policies. Opponents were regularly physically maltreated and some were murdered during this period e.g. the socialist deputy Matteoti in 1924. So anyone opposed to the economic ideas that happened to be Mussolini's flavour of the month could expect similar treatment.

_________________
"I have learned from my mistakes, and I am sure I can repeat them exactly."


Last edited by Caputh on Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:16 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:41 am
Posts: 452
Location: Centerville, Norway
Very interesting, Caputh. Thanks! My next question to Disco Boy would be how he values human rights, when they hinder economic development. No offhand dismissal of the question, please - it poses a real dilemma.

_________________
If I'm not alone... I wonder if I've been asleep?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:11 am
Posts: 3607
probably about as much as Chavez

_________________
A government Bureau is the closest thing to eternal life on earth that you will ever see


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:55 pm
Posts: 2412
Humans have the right to work. For almost nothing. With no benefits.

The way forward is also the way back. Earth is round. So is time.

Capitalism wont last forever. Why worship it? It's fleeting. Self replicating, artificial intelligence robots will have little need for capitalism. Embrace it now while you can.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:52 pm
Posts: 1959
Capitalism will eat itself, but socialism will eat freedom, a situation that is also unsustainable.

***

Here's something I stole off the web, author unknown...


An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

***

Of course, that's a bit of manipulated crap, but it demonstrates why socialism is such a drag.


The truth is, both capitalism and socialism suck. A combination of the two, like we see in most Western countries, seems to be about the best we can hope for.

The only truly sustainable system is the primitive agrarian system used for most of human history. Mankind will return to such ways in the future, one way or the other...most likely probably after a great reduction in our population occurs...maybe next week.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:11 pm
Posts: 3643
Location: Vancouver, BC
Caputh wrote:
Disco Boy's view is that Mussolini's and De' Stefani's economic policy is proof that capitalism is the ideal economic system.

However, I tend to the opinion that it is, in addition, ignoring the fact that the Fascists exerted considerable terror on anyone opposed to their policies. Opponents were regularly physically maltreated and some were murdered during this period e.g. the socialist deputy Matteoti in 1924. So anyone opposed to the economic ideas that happened to be Mussolini's flavour of the month could expect similar treatment.



That's NOT what I said and is only PART of the proof I provided.

What I said was that whenever free market principles have been established, whether during part of the Industrial Revolution, virtually all of the Roaring Twenties, Mussolini's Italy of the early-mid '20s and more recently with Chile, they've WORKED and WORKED WELL, despite not being utopian systems, and have led to extremely low unemployment rates & high GDP, etc. This is regardless of the fact that some countries like Italy and Chile had fascist dictators like Mussolini & Pinochet in power at the time... :roll:

A rope leash wrote:
Here's something I stole off the web, author unknown...


An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

***

Of course, that's a bit of manipulated crap, but it demonstrates why socialism is such a drag.


Absolutely brilliant and 100% correct (apart from the "manipulated crap" part).

If Capitalism was allowed to fully function again...most of our problems today would recede and/or be eliminated...

_________________
:53 - :57...

"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:27 pm
Posts: 5816
Location: echoing through the canyons of your mind
Obnoxious Cunt wrote:

If Capitalism was allowed to fully function again...most of our problems today would recede and/or be eliminated...


yeah...like black people, hispanics, asians, poor people, native Americans, middle eastern people, women, non-Republicans...and well, basically everybody to the left of extreme right. :roll:

We've seen this script play out before and it aways has the same conclusion. :roll:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:11 am
Posts: 1023
Location: North German Wasteland
Vancouver and the surrounding BC is indeed a beautiful and convenient little area. I know. I have been there. A person who has never left that area and has never seen anything else, can of course come to wrong conclusions about the rest of the world (and reality).

_________________
Active forum member since 2005 - R E T I R E D from public forum activity in 2013


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:19 am
Posts: 4919
Location: in deepest, darkest Germany
Disco Boy wrote:
Caputh wrote:
Disco Boy's view is that Mussolini's and De' Stefani's economic policy is proof that capitalism is the ideal economic system.

However, I tend to the opinion that it is, in addition, ignoring the fact that the Fascists exerted considerable terror on anyone opposed to their policies. Opponents were regularly physically maltreated and some were murdered during this period e.g. the socialist deputy Matteoti in 1924. So anyone opposed to the economic ideas that happened to be Mussolini's flavour of the month could expect similar treatment.



That's NOT what I said and is only PART of the proof I provided.

What I said was that whenever free market principles have been established, whether during part of the Industrial Revolution, virtually all of the Roaring Twenties, Mussolini's Italy of the early-mid '20s and more recently with Chile, they've WORKED and WORKED WELL, despite not being utopian systems, and have led to extremely low unemployment rates & high GDP, etc. This is regardless of the fact that some countries like Italy and Chile had fascist dictators like Mussolini & Pinochet in power at the time... :roll:



Yes, they work fairly well in fascist regimes, when you can arrest your opponents, violently crush anyone asking for a higher wage or, in the case of Pinochet, shoot large numbers in football stadiums.
The same logic is employed by many neo-Nazis to claim that Hitler got rid of unemployment, built the Autobahn etc. This is working well!

BTW the repeated use of the rolling eyeball pumpkin, whilst possibly expressing an honest emotion, does tend to conjure up the vision of a tract-selling weirdo, with his eyes glued to the inside of his skull, desperately in need of the services of an optician. I'm sure this impression is neither fair, nor accurate.

A rope leash wrote:
The truth is, both capitalism and socialism suck. A combination of the two, like we see in most Western countries, seems to be about the best we can hope for.


An interesting comment and one which I note DB failed to quote above.

_________________
"I have learned from my mistakes, and I am sure I can repeat them exactly."


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:52 pm
Posts: 1959
SPACEBROTHER forum entity's list of folks that would be "eliminated" under free capitalism is totally ridiculous. The implication is that only white men benefit from capitalism, which is untrue, and is basically a racist statement in itself.

For one thing, without capitalism there would be fewer opportunities for wealth. Unions would go kaput, as there is no point in bargaining for something that is not there. These folks who are "suffering" under capitalism would suffer even more under socialism. While it can be argued that under our current capitalism some folks do better than others, under a strict socialism most folks would do worse. At least the opportunity is there for these peoples.

Blacks have done well with capitalism. Native Americans are getting rich with casinos. Middle-Easterners? I have yet to meet one that is poor. Women? Most of them are doing better than I am, and I'm a middle-aged white guy.

But, without the socialistic safety net, the lives of a lot of people would be much worse, and we would see blatant poverty throughout our country. If big money did not benefit from welfare programs, there would be no welfare programs, and we would see suffering in the street on a scale that is hard to imagine.

As it turns out, the combination of capitalism and socialism that we have in the USA is working fairly well. Going all in with one system or the other would be a mistake. Capitalism builds and destroys, but we need work. Socialism stagnates and drains, but we need to make sure everyone is fed.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:31 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:35 am
Posts: 527
Capitalism does work. However, it will not be optimal unless the general population gets a lot smaller.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 562 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 ... 23  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group