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In the Yellow Shark rehearsels video, when Frank is trying to impart a sense of improvisation to the players, he cites John Cage, saying something along the lines of, "it all started with him."


!! Really, really? That's fantastic, fantastic! Is this on that documentary style thing that came on after the video of the Yellow Shark concert?


Theres also the part on the YS press conference where Zappa says something like "you have to take a bow to John Cage, he was the best at creating something out of nothing" or something like that.

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I wonder which one FZ liked the best
Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown - Song For Renee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N8TcJkC ... re=related
I sure hear a little BTHW

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Carl Stalling, composer, notably of Looney Tunes fame.

I remember something from The Real Frank Zappa book where he discussed his affinity for the music used in Looney Tunes shorts. Makes perfect sense to me.

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Do any of you know if he liked Spike Jones?


I once read an interview with FZ where he was asked about Spike Jones, and he said he was the only person, he had written a fan letter. He added somethig like: "He made a living off of that".

(I don't remember where I read it).

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Carl Stalling, composer, notably of Looney Tunes fame.

I remember something from The Real Frank Zappa book where he discussed his affinity for the music used in Looney Tunes shorts. Makes perfect sense to me.


I don't recall that quote but yes it does kind of make sense.
I love that old music too!

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maybe these two
Nicolas Slonimsky
József Bige

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If Zappa was at all influenced by composer Carl Stalling, he would have likely appreciated the compositions and recordings of composer/musician/sound engineer Raymond Scott. There are more striking similarities between Zappa's and Scott's work than that of Stalling's. Of course I have no idea if Zappa ever even heard Raymond Scott's work. I do know Scott's early jazz recordings were out of print for many years, so who knows?
Scott's compositions were unique, incredibly tight, fast and complex. Scott himself coined it as; 'descriptive jazz'. ..And as mentioned, he was also a respected sound engineer, so he not only ensured that his own performances were recorded as well as possible (considering it was the 1930s), but that the original masters were well cared for personally.

Raymond Scott was a tremendous influence on Carl Stalling. Stalling even lifted several passages and cues from Scott's work for his contributions to the WB shorts.

Another thing about Raymond Scott is that he was a genuine pioneer in electronic music, predating Moog's innovations by as much as a decade.

Idol or not, all this considered, I think Frank would have been a fan of Raymond Scott, and would have appreciated his work.


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Yellow shark rehearsals and references to John Cage (hope I remember it right):
A possible reason FZ talking about Cage while YS was in preparation: Cage was also invented to the "Frankfurt Feste" (a festival consisting of several concerts) where YS was a part of, but he died a few weeks before. So maybe just this occassion qualified Cage as an topic to talk about, maybe more than his role as an "idol". :?
Spike Jones:
I have read in some biography, FZ would have received a single of spike Jones (The Führers face) as birthday gift, when he was a young teenager. We all now, that those biographies have to be enjoyed very careful... :wink:
In directly comparison I could imagine, FZ would have preferred Spike Jones. :mrgreen:
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Porky Pig in "Dough for the Do-Do" 1949
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mjvvkq85SA
At 55 sec: "It can happen here!"
At 2.20: the singing sounds a lot like The Big Squeeze from The Lost Episodes.
If anything, it might show that Zappa was more into Mel Blanc's talent and the talents of the WB sound/film editors than the music of Carl Stalling.
Anyone know of any stronger links between two of my favorite things, FZ and Looney Tunes?


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Batchain1001 wrote:
I suppose it'll always come down to these two guys, Iggy & Eddie.


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But can anybody validate that that pic is for real or photoshopped?

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But can anybody validate that that pic is for real or photoshopped?

Of course it's photoshopped. It was retouched to eliminate the member of the trio who wouldn't sign a release.

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But can anybody validate that that pic is for real or photoshopped?

Of course it's photoshopped. It was retouched to eliminate the member of the trio who wouldn't sign a release.

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I knew it would be one of the Monkees! A major inspirational source for FZ!

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Eric Dolphy?

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Bubbalily wrote:
Porky Pig in "Dough for the Do-Do" 1949
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mjvvkq85SA
At 55 sec: "It can happen here!"
At 2.20: the singing sounds a lot like The Big Squeeze from The Lost Episodes.
If anything, it might show that Zappa was more into Mel Blanc's talent and the talents of the WB sound/film editors than the music of Carl Stalling.
Anyone know of any stronger links between two of my favorite things, FZ and Looney Tunes?


I'd suggest Frank might've unknowingly been a fan of George Hamilton Green, who played most of the xylophone on the Looney Tunes orchestration


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