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Freak Out! (2LP, Verve/MGM V/V6-5005-2, June 27, 1966)
Absolutely Free (LP, Verve V/V6-5013, June 26, 1967)
We're Only In It For The Money (LP, Verve V/V6-5045, March 4, 1968)
Lumpy Gravy (LP, Verve V/V6-8741, May 13, 1968)
Uncle Meat (2LP, Bizarre/Reprise 2MS 2024, April 21, 1969)
Hot Rats (LP, Bizarre/Reprise RS6356, October 15, 1969)
Burnt Weeny Sandwich (LP, Bizarre/Reprise RS6370, February 9, 1970)
Weasels Ripped My Flesh (LP, Bizarre/Reprise MS 2028, August 10, 1970)
Chunga's Revenge (LP, Bizarre/Reprise MS 2030, October 23, 1970)
Fillmore East—June 1971 (LP, Bizarre/Reprise MS 2042, August 2, 1971)
Frank Zappa's 200 Motels (2LP, Bizarre/United Artists UAS 9956, October 4, 1971)
Waka/Jawaka (LP, Bizarre/Reprise MS 2094, July 5, 1972)
The Grand Wazoo (LP, Bizarre/Reprise MS 2093, November 27, 1972)
Over-Nite Sensation (LP, DiscReet MS 2149, September 7, 1973)
Apostrophe (') (LP, DiscReet DS 2175, March 22, 1974)
Roxy & Elsewhere (2LP, DiscReet 2DS 2202, September 10, 1974)
One Size Fits All (LP, DiscReet DS 2216, June 25, 1975)
Bongo Fury (LP, DiscReet DS 2234, October 2, 1975)
Zoot Allures (LP, Warner Bros. BS 2970, October 29, 1976)
Zappa In New York (2LP, DiscReet 2D 2290, March 13, 1978)
Studio Tan (LP, DiscReet DSK 2291, September 15, 1978)
Sleep Dirt (LP, DiscReet DSK 2292, January 12, 1979)
Sheik Yerbouti (2LP, Zappa SRZ-2-1501, March 3, 1979)
Orchestral Favorites (LP, DiscReet DSK 2294, May 4, 1979)
Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar (LP, Barking Pumpkin BPR 1111, May 11, 1981)
Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar Some More (LP, Barking Pumpkin BPR 1112, May 11, 1981)
Return Of The Son Of Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar (LP, Barking Pumpkin BPR 1113, May 11, 1981)
You Are What You Is (2LP, Barking Pumpkin PW2 37537, September 23, 1981)
Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch (LP, Barking Pumpkin FW 38066, May 3, 1982)
London Symphony Orchestra Vol. I (LP, Barking Pumpkin FW 38820, June 9, 1983)
Boulez conducts Zappa: The Perfect Stranger (LP, Angel DS-38170, August 23, 1984)
Frank Zappa Meets The Mothers Of Prevention (LP, Barking Pumpkin ST-74203, November 21, 1985)
Does Humor Belong In Music? (CD, EMI CDP 7 46188 2, UK, January 27, 1986)
London Symphony Orchestra Vol. II (LP, Barking Pumpkin SJ-74207, September 17, 1987)
Guitar (2LP, Barking Pumpkin D1 74212, April 26, 1988)
You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 2 (2CD, Rykodisc RCD 10083/84, October 25, 1988)
Make A Jazz Noise Here (2CD, Barking Pumpkin D2 74234, June 4, 1991)
You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4 (2CD, Rykodisc RCD 10087/88, June 14, 1991)
You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 (2CD, Rykodisc RCD 10089/90, July 10, 1992)
Playground Psychotics (2CD, Barking Pumpkin D2 74244, October 27, 1992)
Ahead Of Their Time (CD, Barking Pumpkin D2 74246, April 20, 1993)
The Yellow Shark (CD, Barking Pumpkin R2 71600, November 2, 1993)
Civilization Phaze III (2CD, Barking Pumpkin UMRK 01, December 2, 1994)
Läther (3CD, Rykodisc RCD 10574/76, September 24, 1996)
Everything Is Healing Nicely (CD, Barking Pumpkin UMRK 03, December 21, 1999)
QuAUDIOPHILIAc (DVD-A, Barking Pumpkin/DTS 1125, September 14, 2004)
Joe's XMASage (CD, Vaulternative VR 20051, December 21, 2005)
Imaginary Diseases (CD, Zappa Records ZR 20001, January 13, 2006)
Trance-Fusion (CD, Zappa Records ZR 20002, November 7, 2006)
The MOFO Project/Object (4CD, Zappa Records ZR 20004, December 12, 2006)
Buffalo (2CD, Vaulternative VR 2007-1, April 1, 2007)
One Shot Deal (CD, Zappa Records ZR 20007, June 13, 2008)
The Lumpy Money Project/Object (3CD, Zappa Records ZR20008, January 21, 2009)
Feeding The Monkies At Ma Maison (CD, Zappa Records ZR20012, September 22, 2011)
Road Tapes, Venue #1 (2CD, Vaulternative Records VR 20122, November 7, 2012)
Finer Moments (2CD, Zappa Records/UMe ZR3894, December 12, 2012)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:31 am 
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Or in other words, FWIW - my more favourite Zappa albums than those I didn't include...

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This is a stupid fucking thread

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:39 am 
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Total topics 21241 - one stupid thread more or less - who cares.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:37 am 
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Heh, my list would be considerably shorter, considering that I mostly like a) the original Mothers b) Zappa's jazz-rock experiments c) the Roxy/Läther progressive rock era. Some of art music would be in my list. I'd avoid most of the 80s. So let's see what I come up with:

Freak Out!
Absolutely Free
WOIIFTM
Lumpy Gravy
Cruising With Ruben & The Jets (original mix only)
Uncle Meat
Hot Rats
Burnt Weeny Sandwich
Weasels Ripped my Flesh
200 Motels
Waka/Jawaka
Grand Wazoo
Apostrophe
Roxy & Elsewhere
One Size Fits All
Bongo Fury
Zoot Allures
ZINY
Studio Tan
Sleep Dirt
Orchestral Favorites
You Are What You Is
Ship Arriving Too Late...
The Perfect Stranger
Them or Us (1st LP mostly)
Jazz From Hell
YCDTOSA 2
Make A Jazz Noise Here
YCDTOSA 5
Ahead of The Time
The Yellow Shark
Läther
Everything is Healing Nicely
Quaudiophiliac
Imaginary Diseases
Wazoo
The Road Tapes
Finer Moments

Still undecided about:
Chunga's Revenge (I like the instrumentals, but the vocals are a big step away from the original MOI singing numbers)
Over-Nite Sensation (another big step away from everything else FZ had done previously, but on the other hand, I mostly dislike two of the least musical numbers that are also the most risque lyrically)
Joe's Garage (haven't heard enough to make a judgment)
Civilization Phaze 3 (see above)
Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar (see above)

To be quite honest, I can't understand how anybody could possibly like ALL ninety four currently existing titles. Most people would agree that each artist is bound to make a subpar album. Apparently not the ones who are quick to dismiss this thread as "stupid". Even more strange is FZ' assertion that he liked ALL of what he ever did. Heck, most other artists would probably say this album or that album is subpar. Or "What on earth were we on when we recorded this?". Kraftwerk, for instance, does not even care to acknowledge that the three pre-Autobahn albums existed, let alone the Organisation LP.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:45 am 
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jaypfunk wrote:
This is a stupid fucking thread

Yes. Is this an attempt to restart the entire forum in one singular thread?

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Thinman wrote:
jaypfunk wrote:
This is a stupid fucking thread

Yes. Is this an attempt to restart the entire forum in one singular thread?

Th.

Hehe - and what's so stupid about that? The thread's actually inspired by your own constructive negativity, since you compel me to ask myself what I really like about Zappa. But feel free not to participate. Btw, I almost like Ed's list better than my own. Frank could have had an even more solid reputation now if he'd only released those albums, and possibly been more relevant as a musical force for more than "one generation", with a little less scum to stand amidst 8)

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FZ released Francesco Zappa so he made bad decisions, I never much liked Man From Utopia or Broadway the Hard Way. There are others too, if I gave it more thought...

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ThingFish

Just Another Band From L.A. (sorry guys)

Man From Utopia (50% good)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:34 am 
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jeddy wrote:
ThingFish

Just Another Band From L.A. (sorry guys)

Man From Utopia (50% good)


Disagree on JABFLA, but Thing-Fish bothered me because I never like musicians recycling their older material and repurposing it - Frank took great melodies and put new lyrics to them. It was well-recorded for the ''80s though. Some good on Man from Utopia and some good on Broadway, but not good enough to get me to listen to it for like 20 years.

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Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
Even more strange is FZ' assertion that he liked ALL of what he ever did.


In some interviews he said he had favorite albums (especially Lumpy Gravy) and was less enthusiastic about others.


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pbuzby wrote:
Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
Even more strange is FZ' assertion that he liked ALL of what he ever did.


In some interviews he said he had favorite albums (especially Lumpy Gravy) and was less enthusiastic about others.


As early as 1968 he was fairly adamant of his current discography: "It's all one album". He must've retained a similar view throughout his life. In one of his last interviews, I think the Playboy one in 1993 he said something to the effect of not considering "Baby Take Your Teeth Out" in any way inferior to "N-Lite". He had favourite albums, but I haven't heard of him expressing less enthusiasm for some other albums. Aside from maybe thinking: "Hey, the drums on this and this album are inferior, I know, I'll have Chad Wackerman to redo these drums!"

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:17 am 
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It doesn't matter, only my opinion does. My dud free list:

Fillmore
You Are What You Is
Wazoo

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Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
He had favourite albums, but I haven't heard of him expressing less enthusiasm for some other albums.


The main examples I know are that he complained about some of the early albums, mainly because Verve didn't allow him enough time to work on them. And there were some passing references to other albums. For instance one interview from Society Pages veered into discussions of albums that didn't sell well in the U.S. but did well in other countries, and he mentioned he didn't think Chunga's Revenge was an "especially astonishing" album.

But yes, often he was in a less modest mood and went into the "big note" rhetoric you mention.


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pbuzby wrote:
Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
He had favourite albums, but I haven't heard of him expressing less enthusiasm for some other albums.


The main examples I know are that he complained about some of the early albums, mainly because Verve didn't allow him enough time to work on them. And there were some passing references to other albums. For instance one interview from Society Pages veered into discussions of albums that didn't sell well in the U.S. but did well in other countries, and he mentioned he didn't think Chunga's Revenge was an "especially astonishing" album.

But yes, often he was in a less modest mood and went into the "big note" rhetoric you mention.


He also endlessly self-mythologized, so he had to either blame the record company or something if there was any aspect of his vision that did not meet his expectations. Look, we know he was pissed at Warner's for releasing OF, SAD and ST and not putting out Lather...and what were the mystery discs except leftovers that were bait for completists like us?

He didn'[t get the time to fully realize FO but he admits (we have the admission on MOFO) that if it wasn't for Tom Wilson maybe nothing would have happened.

What is art but creativity hemmed in by constraint? Maybe Michaelangelo wished he had 10 years to lay on his back to paint that mural on that ceiling.

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My dud list:

Playground Psychotics (too long / boring of an album)
Ahead of Their Time (if there were visuals, it'd be a lot better)
All Joe's Corsaga (useless)
Baby Snakes soundtrack / AAARFNAA (if you have the movie, both are useless)
Francesco (can't take 30 mins of basically the same composition)
Thing Fish (as mentioned earlier, the rehashed material)
Dub Room Special soundtrack (same as Baby Snakes)


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Didn't he say somewhere that he put out an album for 12 year olds....or something like that?
Anyone know the quote or interview?


Jazz Discharge Party Hats - was that really necessary Frank?
Wasn't he just plain "full of shit" at times?



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jeddy wrote:
Jazz Discharge Party Hats - was that really necessary Frank?


In fact he said this was one of his favorites.


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tiboudre wrote:
Dub Room Special soundtrack (same as Baby Snakes)

Not even close, The Dub Room Special! CD opens with "A Token of My Extreme (Vamp)" which aside from being one hell of a groovy introduction, is found nowhere on the DRS! DVD. Aside from the drastically different sequence of the tracks, the DVD's version of "Room Service" is missing the snazzy "doo-doo roo-ooh-oom" intro, and there are probably a couple of other noteworthy differences I haven't noticed myself.

P.S. The performance of "A Token of My Extreme" from the upcoming A Token of His Extreme DVD is the version used to close the 1974 KCET show, meaning that the introductory vamp will likely remain exclusive to the DRS! CD.

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Buckalos wrote:
tiboudre wrote:
Dub Room Special soundtrack (same as Baby Snakes)

Not even close, The Dub Room Special! CD opens with "A Token of My Extreme (Vamp)" which aside from being one hell of a groovy introduction, is found nowhere on the DRS! DVD. Aside from the drastically different sequence of the tracks, the DVD's version of "Room Service" is missing the snazzy "doo-doo roo-ooh-oom" intro, and there are probably a couple of other noteworthy differences I haven't noticed myself.

P.S. The performance of "A Token of My Extreme" from the upcoming A Token of His Extreme DVD is the version used to close the 1974 KCET show, meaning that the introductory vamp will likely remain exclusive to the DRS! CD.



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Track Listing:
1/2) The Dog Breath Variations/ Uncle Meat 3) Montana 4) Earl Of Duke (George Duke) 5) Florentine Pogen 6) Stink-Foot 7) Pygmy Twylyte 8) Room Service 9) Inca Roads 10/11) Oh No/ Son Of Orange County 12) More Trouble Every Day 13) A Token Of My Extreme.

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New DVD
Track Listing:
1/2 ) The Dog Breath Variations/Uncle Meat 3 ) Montana 4 ) Earl Of Duke (George Duke) 5 ) Florentine Pogen 6 ) Stink-Foot 7 ) Pygmy Twylyte 8 ) Room Service 9 ) Inca Roads 10/11 ) Oh No/Son Of Orange County 12 ) More Trouble Every Day 13 ) A Token Of My Extreme.

According to IINK:
The music known to have been played:
1 ) A Token Of My Extreme 2 ) Stink-Foot 3 )Inca Roads 4) Approximate 5) Cosmik Debris 6) The Dog Breath Variations 7) Uncle Meat 8 ) Montana 9 ) Earl of Duke (George Duke) 10 ) Florentine Pogen 11 ) Pygmy Twylyte 12) Room Service 13 ) Oh No 14 )More Trouble Every Day 15 ) A Token Of My Extreme

Until now, I hadn't even noticed that "Cosmik Debris" isn't included in the upcoming DVD either, I'm somewhat disappointed (Not that I can't see it elsewhere, but still, for completion's sake).

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That is correct all the songs are on DVD Room 101 Entertainment,except for ATOME It says in DRS CD that it was recorded at that location on 27th of August room 101 as played there either the 6th or 7th august 1974 I'm thinking maybe it was not recorded on camera maybe from the day before.

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