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He's a creationist - as were Carter, (an "omnipotent Creator" created the "entire universe") Reagan (evolution is a "theory only" and both Bushes (Bush sen.: "I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Biblical account of creation and the scientific evidence of the origins of the universe will yet find common ground", Bush jr.: "on the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the earth" - sounds familiar?).

Some of them were wackos, some of them weren't.

So being a wacko, or a creationist, or a wacko creationist would not seem to be a hinderance to rising to the top of the political pile in the US. In fact, some might argue that it is a positive advantage. :wink:


Well then, according to that criteria, Obama is just as much of a wacko, because he's religious too. :roll:

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As long as Ron Paul remains in the public eye and says the wacky things that he says, and his contigency of kooky supporters prop him up as their golden calf, this thread will live and grow.

For a supposed man of science, for him to deny evolution proves he's a complete quack.



Unlike like Ayn Rand books, this one actually DID make it into the bestseller lists...

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You can pick up a copy of an actual bestseller here ----> http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Delusion- ... 0618918248


You either must've skipped over my last post over or you didn't watch the clip that you posted. Because if you did, you'd know Ron Paul stated this at the very end of it:

"...I just don't think we're at the point where anyone has absolute proof on either side."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSKMLw

Yes, he's definitely religious...BUT he's NOT a wacko.

And btw, Ayn Rand had SEVERAL best-sellers... :roll:


:lol:

Evolution is happening all around us, and even within us. As far as the vast majority of non-religious scientists are concerned, it's a proven fact, just within our own species. No brainer.

The only people who don't accept evolution as proven science are religious fanatic wackos.


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Zappa and Ron Paul Chapter 7

"You've gotta get that fuckin' Sal Marquez motherfucker to play chimes on the new album!" Ron Paul moved the phone to his other ear as he finished screaming into the mouthpiece . He began to pace. It was always difficult to reason with his friend Zappa over the phone. He preferred eye contact.
" Sal Marquez? He'll just want to bring his trumpet and do a bunch of overdubs. I don't have the budget for that stuff," Zappa replied.
"That new song of yours....Big Swifty? Sal Marquez is your man. This could be another Hot Rats, baby. In fact, if you call this album Hot Rats 2 you'll sell at least 500,000 copies. As your silent partner I think you better listen to me."
"The album is gonna be called Waka Jawaka," said Frank. He lit a cigarette. " No trumpets."
"Frank, I wish you wouldn't smoke".
"This is food to me."
"Whatever. Tell Disco Boy to call me. I've got some dirt on Spacebrother. Seems he's a closeted gun fetishist." Ron Paul hung up the phone. He walked out to the sidewalk and headed for the home of his coke dealer. He felt the trigger of his concealed 9 mm handgun. It felt good.


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Ho-kay then. Drunks on the forum. :roll:


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:lol:

Evolution is happening all around us, and even within us. As far as the vast majority of non-religious scientists are concerned, it's a proven fact, just within our own species. No brainer.

The only people who don't accept evolution as proven science are religious fanatic wackos.


Well then, like I said in my last post in this thread, according to that criteria (which of course is deeply flawed...but that's to be expected because this is YOU we're talking about), Obama is a wacko too... :roll:

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When and where did Obama endorse creationism? Links?


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America is all about believing any goddamn thing you want.


Except atheism, socialism, islam etc. As the rest of your post makes clear...

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Most politicians in the USA profess Christian beliefs of one sort or another. What they actually think is another matter. Most of them certainly do not emulate Jesus.

Being an atheist gets you nowhere in American politics.


...it's about being Christian, at least in politics.

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He's a creationist - as were Carter, (an "omnipotent Creator" created the "entire universe") Reagan (evolution is a "theory only" and both Bushes (Bush sen.: "I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Biblical account of creation and the scientific evidence of the origins of the universe will yet find common ground", Bush jr.: "on the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the earth" - sounds familiar?).

Some of them were wackos, some of them weren't.

So being a wacko, or a creationist, or a wacko creationist would not seem to be a hinderance to rising to the top of the political pile in the US. In fact, some might argue that it is a positive advantage. :wink:



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Well then, according to that criteria, Obama is just as much of a wacko, because he's religious too.


I did actually make a distinction between wackos, creationists and wacko creationists.

I was also unaware that Obama has challenged the validity of evolutionary theory.
According to this site, at least:
"President Obama does believe in evolution and supports teaching it in public school classrooms. He has also declared that intelligent design and creationism should not be taught in a science classroom as they are more religion and faith based." http://evolution.about.com/od/Overview/ ... lution.htm

Being religious does not automatically make one a creationist.

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No, America is about being what you are. The majority rules, though...and the majority is Christian, vastly...and in the USA Christianity is a business, so religious capitalists are what makes it in politics.

To me, the tyranny of the majority is the problem with democracy. In a way, anarchy is better, because if you don't like what your particular fiefdom has to offer, you can go to the next county and see if you like it there. With big democracies, the majority rules over everything, and it cannot be escaped, so if you are like me and disagree with almost everything the establishment stands for, then you really don't feel so "free".


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When and where did Obama endorse creationism? Links?


Caputh wrote:
He's a creationist - as were Carter, (an "omnipotent Creator" created the "entire universe") Reagan (evolution is a "theory only" and both Bushes (Bush sen.: "I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Biblical account of creation and the scientific evidence of the origins of the universe will yet find common ground", Bush jr.: "on the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the earth" - sounds familiar?).

Some of them were wackos, some of them weren't.

So being a wacko, or a creationist, or a wacko creationist would not seem to be a hinderance to rising to the top of the political pile in the US. In fact, some might argue that it is a positive advantage. :wink:

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Well then, according to that criteria, Obama is just as much of a wacko, because he's religious too.


I did actually make a distinction between wackos, creationists and wacko creationists.

I was also unaware that Obama has challenged the validity of evolutionary theory.
According to this site, at least:
"President Obama does believe in evolution and supports teaching it in public school classrooms. He has also declared that intelligent design and creationism should not be taught in a science classroom as they are more religion and faith based." http://evolution.about.com/od/Overview/ ... lution.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Religious views

Obama is a Christian whose religious views developed in his adult life. He wrote in The Audacity of Hope that he "was not raised in a religious household". He described his mother, raised by non-religious parents (whom Obama has specified elsewhere as "non-practicing Methodists and Baptists"), as being detached from religion, yet "in many ways the most spiritually awakened person that I have ever known". He described his father as a "confirmed atheist" by the time his parents met, and his stepfather as "a man who saw religion as not particularly useful." Obama explained how, through working with black churches as a community organizer while in his twenties, he came to understand "the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change".[333]
In an interview with the evangelical periodical Christianity Today, Obama stated: "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life."[334] On September 27, 2010, Obama released a statement commenting on his religious views saying "I'm a Christian by choice. My family didn't—frankly, they weren't folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn't raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead—being my brothers' and sisters' keeper, treating others as they would treat me."[335][336]
Obama met Trinity United Church of Christ pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright in October 1987, and became a member of Trinity in 1992.[337] He resigned from Trinity in May 2008 during his first presidential campaign after controversial statements by Wright were publicized.[338] After a prolonged effort to find a church to attend regularly in Washington, Obama announced in June 2009 that his primary place of worship would be the Evergreen Chapel at Camp David.[339]


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Being religious does not automatically make one a creationist.


Really? Please explain. This will be good... :roll:

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Where in that wikipedia article does it say that Obama denies evolution? Oh wait...it doesn't.


Ron Paul on the other hand, doesn't believe in or embrace evolution and says so himself. He and his supporters are deranged wackos.


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The score as of now

DISCO BOY: 38
SPACEBROTHER: 35

To get what you want from people, to be able to dominate them, you must know their weaknesses.

Now, I have no doubt that Disco Boy's weakness is his vanity. However, Disco Boy realizes his weakness and tries to make it his strength. That is his downfall. That's how you will beat him in the endless debate.

Spacebrother is also extremely arrogant, but part of his vanity lay in his feigning of righteousness. He is more snobbish in his pose of humility than Disco Boy could ever be with his geeky pretensions of statistical grandeur. All you have to do with Spacebrother is imply that he is a man without equal in human affairs and you've suckered him in for the knockout punch.


Caputh may want a shot at the title. I can't tell. He's always winking.



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To get what you want from people, to be able to dominate them, you must know their weaknesses.






a) What do you want from Spacebrother, Disco Boy (or me)? I hope it's nothing unsavoury.
b) Why do you want to dominate them/me? Not enough dominating going on at home?

tweedle-dumb wrote:

Being religious does not automatically make one a creationist.



Disco Boy wrote:
Really? Please explain. This will be good... :roll:


Ah, I'm back to being tweedle-dumb again? What an honour! (Actually, didn't I use to be tweedle-dee?) Particularly appropriate as, once again, it is in the context of agreeing with your original statement. Look back carefully and you will see the clues.
a) Spacebrother claims that Paul is a creationist wacko.
b) You say he isn't a wacko.
c) I agree, pointing out that US politicians in the past have been creationists. Some of them were wackos, some of them weren't. Thus, I am arguing that being a creationist does not automatically make you a wacko.
d) You get upset (again).

As to your question a creationist tends to deny that evolution took/has taken place. They often argue that the earth and all the animals on it was created in 6 days (with one day for a divine tea break). Saying that Jesus is the saviour and believing in the afterlife is not the same as denying the validity of evolution.

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Caputh steps up with a hit below the belt. Administering his own brand of sinister psychological warfare.

Sorry, I'm not in the debate Caputh. I'm just a commentator. You'll have to go elsewhere to be dominated. Not my thing.

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What is "your thing", then? It's just that, for someone who puts such emphasis on the importance of personal experience over secondary sources, you seem to know an awful lot about dominating. :lol:

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What is "your thing", then?

Nothing unsavory, I assure you.

I was doing a parody of a sportscaster. For this reason I used the word "dominate".


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This is mildly entertaining as an occasional read, but it's futile to discuss with people who must have explained why being religious and believing in evolution is not necessarily at odds, as well as many other simple propositions. The horizon is simply too narrow to expect any real progress.

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This is mildly entertaining as an occasional read, but it's futile to discuss with people who must have explained why being religious and believing in evolution is not necessarily at odds, as well as many other simple propositions. The horizon is simply too narrow to expect any real progress.


But it is mildly entertaining :wink:

BTW., Downer. If you really want to know how to dominate people, here's an expert...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abqZn6SFiWs

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Where in that wikipedia article does it say that Obama denies evolution? Oh wait...it doesn't.

Caputh wrote:
Look back carefully and you will see the clues.
a) Spacebrother claims that Paul is a creationist wacko.
b) You say he isn't a wacko.
c) I agree, pointing out that US politicians in the past have been creationists. Some of them were wackos, some of them weren't. Thus, I am arguing that being a creationist does not automatically make you a wacko.
d) You get upset (again).

As to your question a creationist tends to deny that evolution took/has taken place. They often argue that the earth and all the animals on it was created in 6 days (with one day for a divine tea break). Saying that Jesus is the saviour and believing in the afterlife is not the same as denying the validity of evolution.

DC Boogie wrote:
This is mildly entertaining as an occasional read, but it's futile to discuss with people who must have explained why being religious and believing in evolution is not necessarily at odds, as well as many other simple propositions. The horizon is simply too narrow to expect any real progress.


Are you guys fucking kidding me?! :roll:

Religious doctrine, especially Christianity, dictates that you adopt ALL beliefs or you're not welcomed into said religion. And that means creationism too, since it's a component of Christian doctrine. The Obama quote I posted in my previous post not only shows that he's a total hypocrite and a flip-flopper, amongst other things...but it also shows his supporters will deny ANY fallacies embedded within his platform at any cost.

downer mydnyte wrote:
The score as of now

DISCO BOY: 38
SPACEBROTHER: 35

To get what you want from people, to be able to dominate them, you must know their weaknesses.

Now, I have no doubt that Disco Boy's weakness is his vanity. However, Disco Boy realizes his weakness and tries to make it his strength. That is his downfall. That's how you will beat him in the endless debate.

Spacebrother is also extremely arrogant, but part of his vanity lay in his feigning of righteousness. He is more snobbish in his pose of humility than Disco Boy could ever be with his geeky pretensions of statistical grandeur. All you have to do with Spacebrother is imply that he is a man without equal in human affairs and you've suckered him in for the knockout punch.

Coming up.....Zappa and Ron Paul - chapter 8!!

Caputh may want a shot at the title. I can't tell. He's always winking.


Translation:

I can't win an argument to save my life, so I'll just keep throwing ad-hominems at Disco Boy instead.

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He (Ron Paul) and his supporters are deranged wackos.


So Obama's perpetual wars, MASSIVE increased debt and dictatorship indulgence is better than ending wars, the debt crisis and promoting liberty.

Gotcha.

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Hmmm...a cross between Tea party talking points and statistically not-exactly correct information regarding wars, debt and dictatorships. Eh.... Image


This is more interesting...

Look up the term "theistic evolution" as it relates to the church.... I'm about to prove tweedle-dumber wrong, again, on another subject. :lol:


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Downer. If you really want to know how to dominate people, here's an expert...


Funny stuff. Thanks.

I have no interest in dominating anyone. I'm totally against it, in fact.
I'm not a big enough asshole to try to convince people that I know what's best for them. It's the assholes with all the solutions who are fucking things up. The guys who want to tell everyone else how it is. You know, guys like DB and SB. :mrgreen: It's nothing Zappa hasn't sung about 100 times.


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Translation:

I can't win an argument to save my life, so I'll just keep throwing ad-hominems at Disco Boy instead.

Translation: I repeat myself when under stress


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If you don't like it, and think you're above the fray DM, why even bother reading, and especially responding? By participating, you lower yourself to our level, which makes you one of us. Welcome to the asshole club. :mrgreen:

Don't fool yourself DM, it's winking at you-ooh :wink:
Don't fool yourself DM, it's blinking at you-ooh :shock:

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Are you guys fucking kidding me?! :roll:

Religious doctrine, especially Christianity, dictates that you adopt ALL beliefs or you're not welcomed into said religion. And that means creationism too, since it's a component of Christian doctrine. The Obama quote I posted in my previous post not only shows that he's a total hypocrite and a flip-flopper, amongst other things...but it also shows his supporters will deny ANY fallacies embedded within his platform at any cost.



So, I assume they'll be chucking the head of the Anglican Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, out of office very soon for opposing the teaching of creationism in schools and saying this:

"I think creationism is...a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories. If creationism is presented as a stark alternative theory alongside other theories I think there's just been a jarring of categories."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/21 ... evolution/

Equally this Vatican official will soon be burned at the stake for saying the following:

" Popes going back to the mid-20th century have "recognized the scientific value of the theory of biological evolution," Gennaro Auletta, who teaches philosophy of science at the Gregorian, told reporters. "Greater understanding and assimilation of such subject matter by clergy and faithful has been hoped for."

"I would like to point out that unfortunately one cannot say that about the faithful of all Christian confessions, as media reports indicate," Auletta said.

Auletta appeared to be referring to stories about fundamentalist churches that maintain a literal interpretation of the Bible, including the belief that the world was created in six days.

Monsignor Gianfranco Ravasi told reporters that: "One thing is sure. Evolution is not incompatible with faith."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424 ... z2S1OoW65r

And (just for DM a primary source) my own dear Catholic wife will soon be in the stocks, being pelted with rotten vegetables, for believing that dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.

What a bunch of total flip-floppers and hypocrites to believe such "fallacies".

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Caputh wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
Are you guys fucking kidding me?! :roll:

Religious doctrine, especially Christianity, dictates that you adopt ALL beliefs or you're not welcomed into said religion. And that means creationism too, since it's a component of Christian doctrine. The Obama quote I posted in my previous post not only shows that he's a total hypocrite and a flip-flopper, amongst other things...but it also shows his supporters will deny ANY fallacies embedded within his platform at any cost.


So, I assume they'll be chucking the head of the Anglican Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, out of office very soon for opposing the teaching of creationism in schools and saying this:

"I think creationism is...a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories. If creationism is presented as a stark alternative theory alongside other theories I think there's just been a jarring of categories."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/21 ... evolution/

Equally this Vatican official will soon be burned at the stake for saying the following:

" Popes going back to the mid-20th century have "recognized the scientific value of the theory of biological evolution," Gennaro Auletta, who teaches philosophy of science at the Gregorian, told reporters. "Greater understanding and assimilation of such subject matter by clergy and faithful has been hoped for."

"I would like to point out that unfortunately one cannot say that about the faithful of all Christian confessions, as media reports indicate," Auletta said.

Auletta appeared to be referring to stories about fundamentalist churches that maintain a literal interpretation of the Bible, including the belief that the world was created in six days.

Monsignor Gianfranco Ravasi told reporters that: "One thing is sure. Evolution is not incompatible with faith."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424 ... z2S1OoW65r

And (just for DM a primary source) my own dear Catholic wife will soon be in the stocks, being pelted with rotten vegetables, for believing that dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.

What a bunch of total flip-floppers and hypocrites to believe such "fallacies".

tweedle-dumb wrote:
This is more interesting...

Look up the term "theistic evolution" as it relates to the church....


What you two geniuses don't seem to realize is that I was referring to CHRISTIANITY (not other denominations that follow different interpretations of Genesis). And since Obama is apparently a Christian, that means he would HAVE to adopt creationism as part of his belief system, otherwise he couldn't be considered a Christian. :roll:

tweedle-dumb wrote:
I'm about to prove tweedle-dumber wrong, again, on another subject. :lol:


You NEVER have...and you NEVER will.

tweedle-dumb wrote:
Hmmm...a cross between Tea party talking points and statistically not-exactly correct information regarding wars, debt and dictatorships. Eh.... Image


Hmmm...denying statistically and FACTUALLY correct information regarding wars, debt and dictatorships. I see...

Image

But then again, this is you, so no surprises here... :roll:

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tweedle-dumber wrote:
Caputh wrote:
tweedle-dumber wrote:
Are you guys fucking kidding me?! :roll:

Religious doctrine, especially Christianity, dictates that you adopt ALL beliefs or you're not welcomed into said religion. And that means creationism too, since it's a component of Christian doctrine. The Obama quote I posted in my previous post not only shows that he's a total hypocrite and a flip-flopper, amongst other things...but it also shows his supporters will deny ANY fallacies embedded within his platform at any cost.


So, I assume they'll be chucking the head of the Anglican Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, out of office very soon for opposing the teaching of creationism in schools and saying this:

"I think creationism is...a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory like other theories. If creationism is presented as a stark alternative theory alongside other theories I think there's just been a jarring of categories."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/21 ... evolution/

Equally this Vatican official will soon be burned at the stake for saying the following:

" Popes going back to the mid-20th century have "recognized the scientific value of the theory of biological evolution," Gennaro Auletta, who teaches philosophy of science at the Gregorian, told reporters. "Greater understanding and assimilation of such subject matter by clergy and faithful has been hoped for."

"I would like to point out that unfortunately one cannot say that about the faithful of all Christian confessions, as media reports indicate," Auletta said.

Auletta appeared to be referring to stories about fundamentalist churches that maintain a literal interpretation of the Bible, including the belief that the world was created in six days.

Monsignor Gianfranco Ravasi told reporters that: "One thing is sure. Evolution is not incompatible with faith."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424 ... z2S1OoW65r

And (just for DM a primary source) my own dear Catholic wife will soon be in the stocks, being pelted with rotten vegetables, for believing that dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist.

What a bunch of total flip-floppers and hypocrites to believe such "fallacies".

tweedle-dumb wrote:
This is more interesting...

Look up the term "theistic evolution" as it relates to the church....


What you two geniuses don't seem to realize is that I was referring to CHRISTIANITY (not other denominations that follow different interpretations of Genesis). And since Obama is apparently a Christian, that means he would HAVE to adopt creationism as part of his belief system, otherwise he couldn't be considered a Christian. :roll:



Wrong... Look up-theistic evolution. Christianity covers a lot of denominations...Catholicism (Eastern, Western, Vatican 1, Vatican 2, and many others), Baptists, Pentacostals, Evangelists, Mormans, Protestsnts, Lutherans, Anglicans, Calvinists, Presbyterians, Mennonites, Brethren, Methodists, Charismatics, and many many others, including individual sects for each denomination. Many, if not most believe in theistic evolution, the more Conservative/extremist sects don't believe in evolution.


Obama is a Congregationalist. Ron Paul is a Southern Baptist. Southern Baptists have more Conservative/strict/literal views than Congregationalists and Vatican 2 Catholics. the Westboro Baptist church, the folks who picket soldiers funerals, comes from the same ideology as Ron Pauls beliefs, go figure. :roll: Wackos.


Tweedle-dumber obviously has no idea about he variances in Christain faith and beliefs and is waaaay out of his league to debate such matters.


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:28 am 
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Well, I'm sure the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Pope will a bit surprised to learn that they are not Christians or, indeed, that Christianity is a demonination all on its own.

As a member of the United Church of Christ, Obama is merely reflecting the views of his own church on evolution versus creationism, as they have stated:
' "Evolution helps us see our faithful God in a new way. Our creator works patiently, calling forth life through complex processes spanning billions of years and waiting for us to awaken and respond in conscious participation in God's own overarching dream for all living things. Evolution also helps us see ourselves anew, as creatures who share a common origin with other species. Today we know that human bodies and brains share the same genetic and biochemical processes with other creatures, not just mammals but insects, plants, and bacteria. How then should we understand ourselves as evolved creatures, sharing much of our DNA with other species, and at the same time as distinct creatures in the image of God?"

The general minister and president of the United Church of Christ, the Reverend John H. Thomas, told The New York Times (January 31, 2008) that the statement was in part intended to counter "the creationist approach, the continuing caricature of the opposition of evolution and religion." '
http://ncse.com/news/2008/02/united-chu ... ion-001802

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But, seriously folks...individuals always adapt their personal "religious" beliefs into something they feel comfortable with, even if it means going against doctrine...which is why religion is bullshit.

I think somewhere in the Bible Jesus says it is better to have one's hand cut off than it would be to have it touch another person's spouse. That sort of practice has gone by the wayside, but the religion is still in business. It has to change to keep the pews full and the coffers stuffed.

Politicians lie about just about everything, so what is in their hearts is truly unknown. What comes out of their mouths is totally suspect. They need religion to help them buffalo the general public. Indeed, when we look at Napoleon or Alexander, one of the goals was to unite the religions of their empire into one...it's just so much easier to control folks that way.

Do I think Obama is a creationist? No. He grew up with mixed religious influences, so in his heart he probably thinks it's all bullshit, but he could never say that to the New York Times.


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