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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:56 am 
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Okay, let's try this. I feel like this is a completely unique concept, but if it's not feel free to get rid of the thread. Take a very special FZ album to you, it could be your 'favorite' or it could just be one that stands out to you the most, and try to determine what your least favorite part of that album is.

For example, I love OSFA and I know I'm not the only one. But for some reason, in comparison to the Sofa suite, Andy and Inca Roads, "San Ber'dino" just comes short, in my opinion. I guess I just don't get it. It's on Strictly Commercial too, I much rather would have heard Inca Roads or especially Andy on there, or even Florentine Pogen. Does anyone else have any instances like this on FZ albums that you greatly cherish?

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:45 pm 
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I rarely listen to the "bread" (that is, the two doowop/R&B covers) bits on Burnt Weeny Sandwich, I'm always devouring the "meat" portions (that is, all the instrumental original compositions).

Also, I don't think "Trouble Every Day" was in any way improved on "Roxy & Elsewhere", just made a bit more virtuosic, little else. That song should've been retired after the original Mothers' disbandment.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:02 pm 
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So you like the Igor's Boogie(s)? I'm not a huge fan of those but I absolutely love Theme From Burnt Weeny Sandwich.

When it comes to Trouble Every Day, I think I could have heard it on FO and been done with it. That song has never done much for me.

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the dialog between moon, michael rappaport, ali n. askin, todd yvega and the members of the ensemble modern on civilization phaze iii, disc two.
they just didn't get what it was all about. they don't add anything.

too bad fz didn't edit them out.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:19 pm 
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the dialog between moon, michael rappaport, ali n. askin, todd yvega and the members of the ensemble modern on civilization phaze iii, disc two.
they just didn't get what it was all about. they don't add anything.

too bad fz didn't edit them out.
I haven't gotten that yet, but I really need to. Why is Michael Rapaport even in it?! Haha.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:31 pm 
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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
the dialog between moon, michael rappaport, ali n. askin, todd yvega and the members of the ensemble modern on civilization phaze iii, disc two.
they just didn't get what it was all about. they don't add anything.
too bad fz didn't edit them out.
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I haven't gotten that yet, but I really need to. Why is Michael Rapaport even in it?! Haha.
because he was moon's boyfriend at the time...

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:33 pm 
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Well that explains it.

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:21 pm 
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I totally like Igor's Boogie!

There is in fact a very demented version of the piece where Roy is scatting along with some of the clarinet lines, then que in some doo-wop background while the horns are playing Phaze Two, real creepy in fact! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiTxa1OWMaY

If pure woodwind music is not up yer alley, here's the keyboard version of Phaze One, take it away George Duke and Ian Underwood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya5TujaOBKg

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:29 pm 
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In contrast to the guy above, I don't like Sofa-boring standard tune with no 'eyebrows', but I love the rest of OSFA.

'Ship Ahoy' grates as well. SUNPYG shares top honours with OSFA for me.


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:46 am 
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My least favourite from OSFA would probably have to be "Po-Jama People". Standard blues-rock with rhythm section (replete with tacky tack piano from Duke) coming across really slick and session musicianly, and FZ sounds a bit smarmy on that one too. Perverted Al Bundy style voice is one aspect. Plus, it doesn't help that this song slags off one of my favourite touring groups: the 1973 JLP band. It's not a terrible song by any means, but not that fantastic either. Maybe the extended "200 Years Old" would've been a better excuse for another ripping guitar solo? I would've even tolerated "Cucamonga" on this one.

At least Sofa's got a great tune. Zappa could write excellent simple melodies too, even that overplayed Bobby Brown is in fact very singable. And "San Berdino" is quite entertaining, plus it's got Johnny Guitar Watson!

In any case, it has occurred to me that OSFA is in fact a transitional album. The line between the 1966-75 Zappa and the 1976-beyond Zappa runs right there.

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:54 am 
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Some FZ albums are just perfect. In some others I really love, I wish some songs were just not there. So, my tedious list of the works I consider to be perfect, and the ones which don't reach perfection because of a single moment.

*Freak Out!: I wish "The Return of the Son..." was shorter, really. A pity FZ was not let to finish it the way he wanted.
*Absolutely Free: just perfect!
*Lumpy Gravy: just perfect!
*WOIIFTM: just perfect!
*Cruisin'....: just perfect!
*Uncle Meat: just perfect! (well, I mean the original record, the remix has extra material I WISH JUST DIDN'T EXIST)
*Hot Rats: just perfect!
*Burnt Weeny Sandwich: just perfect!
* Weasels Ripped My Flesh: just perfect! (the only instance in which I tolerate Roy Estrada's vocal solos)
*JABFL: just perfect!
*Waka/Jawaka: just perfect!
*The Grand Wazoo: just perfect!
*Roxy & Elsewhere: just perfect!
*Studio Tan: just perfect!
*Sleep Dirt: just perfect!
*You Are What You Is: I never liked the version of "I Don't Wana Get Drafted" featured here. The earlier recording of this song (the one on "The Lost Episodes") is great.
*SATLTSADW: I've never liked "I Come From Nowhere" very much.
*CP III: Disc 1 is perfect by all means. Disc 2 has those boring new dialogues, a real pity.


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 5:14 am 
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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
the dialog between moon, michael rappaport, ali n. askin, todd yvega and the members of the ensemble modern on civilization phaze iii, disc two.
they just didn't get what it was all about. they don't add anything.

too bad fz didn't edit them out.


The pre-release "demo" version has a lot more of their dialogue, even ending with it.


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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:21 am 
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It's not necessarily a criticism, but an observation: FZ took a real big risk by playing very very long solos on the Hot Rats album, referring to "Willie the Pimp" and "Son of Mr GG". I would've expected that perhaps considering Don Preston's keyboard solos and Ian Underwood's sax solos on "Mr Green Genes" for the 1968 and 1970 concerts the solo space could've been shared between Ian, Frank and maybe Sugarcane on the record as well. Instead, we have a long guitar solo coloured by overdubbed sax/clarinet/keyboard arrangements. While the arrangement generally works, the first half with sax arrangements feels more involved than the second half of the solo with only keyboards. Perhaps a bit different arrangement of dynamics could've improved matters even more?

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:48 am 
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I'm crazy about the Roxy album. it's by far my most-often-listened-to FZ album. But I skip over Dummy Up every time I play it. That shit is great in concert, but it otherwise gets old by about the 3rd listen.

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I still can't decide if I prefer the Ryko remix of Hot Rats to the original vinyl / Universal mix.

The benefits of the original mix include pretty much all of side one, especially Peaches En Regalia and how FZ's guitar is more prominent in the melody line of Son Of Mr. Green Genes. But on the other hand, the Ryko remix just brings side two to life since there are just too many instruments too buried in the original mix. The greatest culprits are the keys, pianos, organ, flutes, & saxes in Little Umbrellas, which is unforgivable. And the shorter version of The Gumbo Variations just doesn't cut it.

So whenever I listen to this album now, I listen to side one of the original vinyl / Universal mix and side two of the Ryko remix accordingly...

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All that junk he added to the end of Uncle Meat.

I know why he did it, but still...

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MentalTossFlycoon wrote:
All that junk he added to the end of Uncle Meat.

I know why he did it, but still...



Illuminate me. Why the fuck did he do it?


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Never really got into Sheik Yerbouti Tango, it's just a solo I don't think is amazing. I never really skip it though.
Though YAWYI is a pretty great album I'm not a fan of Conehead at all and I never really got the weird screaming at the end of I don't wanna get drafted.

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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:10 am 
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Any Downers/Conehead is a somewhat boring segment of the otherwise great YAWYI.


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Quilt wrote:
MentalTossFlycoon wrote:
All that junk he added to the end of Uncle Meat.

I know why he did it, but still...



Illuminate me. Why the fuck did he do it?


I guess because the film and that Honker video were a big deal to him.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:10 pm 
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Big deal eh? I need a DVD release then! Lol.

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I hate the voice on Apostrophe "But, I got the crystal ball". I find it cringeworthy.
Also the announcers voice on OS "That's right folks don't touch that dial"

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I hate the voice on Apostrophe "But, I got the crystal ball". I find it cringeworthy.
Also the announcers voice on OS "That's right folks don't touch that dial"


I always wondered what he was saying for the longest time, now it makes me laugh.
As for the announcer, I can't help but proclaim that line very loudly whenever I hear it.

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Kin Vassy sounds like he's setting us up for something amazing, and I think he's right.

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Those annoying vocals on Spider Of Destiny, I always skip 'em.

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