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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:33 am 
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I am a birther, a bircher, a modern flat-earther. I revile the Kenyan
Obama & his Kansas-born mama. He produced a certificate finally, but never
will he be American like me!

Thanks to Rush, Fox, & the
internets I think independently. I am no pawn, no rube, no ClownedByTheGOP.
Birther, bircher, I am he.
If you don't like it, drink more TEA.

Since Tea I bleed, I reject anyone whose face,
place, or prayer is foreign to me. Truth, logic, & science are an unholy
progressive alliance. Justice, fairness, & reason are liberal acts of
treason. I'd rather claw out my eyes than compromise.

Thanks to Rush, Fox, & the
internets I think independently. I am no pawn, no rube, no ClownedByTheGOP.
Birther, bircher, I am he.
If you don't like it, drink more TEA.

I despise unions
with Koch brothers passion. Low paid cops, teachers, & firefighters must be
the fashion. My Rove-backed rage will soon end the minimum wage!
Thanks to Rush, Fox, & the
internets I think independently. I am no pawn, no rube, no ClownedByTheGOP.
Birther, bircher, I am he.
If you don't like it, drink more TEA.

By judicial decree, a woman's choice, her body, will be policed and must submit to
me. Climate change is a joke & gays are an aberration. I prefer my
place in big oil's yoke. How I miss segregation and it's fee...

Thanks to Rush, Fox, & the
internets I think independently. I am no pawn, no rube, no ClownedByTheGOP.
Birther, bircher, I am he.
If you don't like it, drink more TEA.

I insist on free market
anarchy. Tax cuts for the rich, kill Social Security! Socialism is my nightmare.
Gut the VA & Medicare!

Thanks to Rush, Fox, & the
internets I think independently. I am no pawn, no rube, no ClownedByTheGOP.
Birther, bircher, I am he.
If you don't like it, drink more TEA.

I slam "Obammy" at every turn. On a cross, his
presidency, I wish would burn! And, although my vote propelled Bush-for-brains
to heights undeserved, I can't seem to remember,The eleven Trillion dollar debt
handed off to Obammy, I ain't got the nerve.

Thanks to Rush, Fox, & the
internets I think independently. I am no pawn, no rube, no ClownedByTheGOP.
Birther, bircher, I am he.
If you don't like it, drink more TEA.

God bless America! But, I am not keeper of my brother. All my
failures, the fault of the illegal other. Get me mah gun and you will see,
no right more precious than that makes a second degree murderee.

Thanks to Rush, Fox, & the
internets I think independently. I am no pawn, no rube, no ClownedByTheGOP.
Birther, bircher, I am he.
If you don't like it, drink more TEA.

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New adventures in prejudicial stereotyping?


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If all you can do is smear your debate opponents with bullshit defamation of a clearly over-generalized nature, perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror.

Defending a dictator is pretty sick, even a puppet dictator. He spends 100,000,000 on a family trip to Africa, offers them 70 billion to build infrastructure while we crumble, goes after whistleblowers pretty much like Stalin did, drones innocent women and children, ect...and I'm some sort of dumb racist hick for pointing it out?

You should be outraged. Comparisons to Nixon are appropriate, but what happened to Nixon is also the problem. There is no one willing to prosecute, and until the people rise up in protest, there will be no prosecution of any high crimes. That is the legacy of Gerald Ford: Nixon got away with it, and so can we, too.

I've been a hippie all my life, a REAL left-winger. Obama is nothing more than the third term of George W. Bush. A true old-school Democrat would agree with this. A new "conservative-lite" Democrat just follows the party-line via Rachel Maddow and the like.

There is only one political party in the United States, The War Party. It is comprised of two fake entities, Democrats and Republicans, whose job it is to make the people feel like they have valid opinions and that what they think matters. With a little help from corporate controlled media, they get the job done...

...and you fuckers just keep falling for it, and spew forth your frothy thoughts as if they are based on truth. You do not know the truth, and that is the first truth you should understand. Very few people know the actual facts, so why go on and on talking about fictions as if it was actuality?

...and in the name of Frank Zappa please stop throwing the race card. It is the last resort of the desperate. You think you are better than some racist hick? The government doesn't...you are just another idiot citizen, grown that way by design.

You only know what they want you to know, and that isn't much.


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It looks more like a song to me. Do I need to say, 'the above expression does not reflect the views of this author' for you? :shock:
You're not the first perosn I expected to pounce with such a full-throated defense/attack. At all.
As they say, 'give 'em enough rope and they hang themselves', I guess.

I do know how the tea-partiers talk. Like an american taliban.
I am aware of their 'depopulation agenda' and a lot of people, in and out of government, the private sector are too.
The NRA are motivated, big enrgy, insurance, *SPAM* too. The divide and conquer mental/ps-op war, the us-and-them propaganda, is doing more than rip up the republican party. Causing the goalposts to move right. The rest painted with worse and worse colors. What are we gonna do about it is what no one wants to talk about.
What is it that abhors a vaccuum?

It's just a song. They're just words.

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SPACEBROTHER wrote:
downer mydnyte wrote:
pedro2 wrote:
Some people would even call it intellectually stimulating and some people assume that this is a bonus of having a thinking mind.

Yeah, as long as the thinking mind is not thinking about bullshit.

pedro2 wrote:
Some people like to drown in the shit.

I guess we just have to be deeper than the shit we're in.


Intellectual stimulating like the number of gun barrels that can fit into ones mouth if you come to a few neighborhoods in his town, before he introduces you to his racist friends across the river huh? :roll: Yeah right...


Mother , Mary & Joesph , you're an annoying little asshole , but at least I found something that you're better at than most people.

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"What are we gonna do about it is what no one wants to talk about."

That's because no one wants to go to jail for sedition. The USA PATRIOT Act is a lot more about stopping home-grown revolution than it is about stopping foreign terrorists.

What we need to do is walk like an Egyptian. A couple million folks down by the reflecting pool would be a good start, but who could lead? Anyone that breaks out and talks sense gets immediately marginalized, defamed, or worse.

The thing is, we have to stop dividing ourselves and come together. The movement has to avoid becoming co-opted and sold back to us, or denigrated, infiltrated, and crushed.

It will never happen, despite the best efforts of bloggers and activists.

"They" rule, and that's that. It makes me glad for death.


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rope, it's not sedition if a majority do it and stand up for themselves and each other. The temporary assholes that are causinig the destruction are temporary assholes and can be voted out. So can their bullshit 'laws'. So can the bullshit voter ID crap, so can the stripping of rights of health care access for women, and the gerrymanderingtactics designed to limit the effect of voters who don't go lockstep into this dark night. History has shown that dissent is an american tradition where the 'winners' reside. But it takes time and a whole lot of patience, honesty and alertness and simple awareness. If we're too scared of TPTB whoever they are, we don't deserve our freedoms, that still remain.

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The USA PATRIOT Act is a lot more about stopping home-grown revolution than it is about stopping foreign terrorists.


Even this can be stopped and turned around. But we have to want it bad enough.

A rope leash wrote:
What we need to do is walk like an Egyptian. A couple million folks down by the reflecting pool would be a good start, but who could lead? Anyone that breaks out and talks sense gets immediately marginalized, defamed, or worse.

The thing is, we have to stop dividing ourselves and come together. The movement has to avoid becoming co-opted and sold back to us, or denigrated, infiltrated, and crushed.


Absolutely. I completely agree with this and a lot of people out there feel the same way. Maybe some you haven't met yet, but I bet you have friends in Columbia, St louis, KC etc. that maybe you haven't talked to in years, who also agree. We are not alone. Some too, who have turned instead to pay their *SPAM* or prescription pills or worse, and sunk in their apathy, fear and an I'm-too-busy life, in these tough econ times. Maybe they are captured by their habits and have resorted to immersing themselves in what we all were trained to do: be good consumers. But these are all just choices. We are currently in a place where the rights of the many have been taken away to benefit the interest of the very smallest few. And that ain't an american value. I can't turn my back on women and children, people hurting and needing help. And they're american citizens! Where's the outrage?

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It will never happen, despite the best efforts of bloggers and activists.


We can't let our impatience outweigh our desire for honest justice. We can't let our desire for freedom be overwhelmed by fear and the desires of a few rich businessmen who want to control all our lives, in the name of their freedom. They don't represent me or the majority. Yet they tell us they already do and are just getting started with their depopulation agenda. Truthfully, the government doesn't want that: What a mess to have to clean up! and without a tax revenue to do it? No.

"The fog is so thick / you can't even spy the land./ What good are you / If you can't stand up to some old businessman?' - Summer Days, Bob Dylan

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"They" rule, and that's that. It makes me glad for death.


You don't sound to me like you're ready to roll over, sit up and beg quite yet. But it's your choice of course. You have the right to remain stupid. But you seem instead to have a broad grasp of what's going on. Time, I say for us to get more specific and stand up and notice when the rights of others are being stolen. The antidote is clear. You can write, you observe, you can disclose and not back down.

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pedro2 wrote:

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pedro2 you have been granted an esteemed honor! Because of your services rendered to consumers everywhere, you are hereby granted the new official title, named in honor of the internationally recognized True American Artificial Corn-Chip! Not to be taken lightly, this honor bestows on it much esteem and prestige and should be held aloft on banners everywhere that thoughtless consumers congregate and evacuate on their neighbors. So it is with great humility I am proud to present your new title:

Freto2

wear it with pride

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:33 am 
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Um , sorry but I could never accept an honor from any organization that gives honors.

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No, such scenarios are fantasy. There was a time when the American people had the balls to stand up, but they have long since been snipped by the shears of corporate media and public education.

Last 4th, I went to a fireworks show in Illinois. Featured were some school kids giving "patriotic" speeches. They went on to detail what they learned about 9-11-2001...and they were parroting the official bullshit line about 19 freedom-hating hijackers with sharp box cutters. No one shouted out any dissent from the "history lesson", and although I wanted to, the heavy police presence reminded me to stand down.

The average American cannot see beyond the smoke and mirrors. Something bad will have to happen to them personally before they ever get off their asses and into the streets. Indeed, a lot of bad has already happened, mostly economic...but the suffering hasn't reached a boiling point as of yet. The "occupy" movement was a seed that sprouted but died from neglect. We are many years away from any sort of real revolution, and by that time the police state will be entrenched and the leaders of the revolution will be marked for elimination.

You tell me how to get a million people to march on DC. For one, it has to be people from the east coast...most of us Midwesterners are too broke to travel.

I believe the powers that be would love a giant protest, so they can infiltrate and crush. They would love some race riots. They are just itching to get out there and show the unhappy that discontent will not be tolerated.

I'm an older guy, and I've been writing and observing all my life. If there is one thing I have learned, it is that personal sacrifices for the greater good is not a big American value. "I'm right and you're wrong" is the individual American motto, as we have seen with many posters on this forum. How in the world we would ever get masses of people to agree to join together to fight the oppressive influences in our government is a mystery to me. Something will have to occur that will make people angry enough to act out, but let's face it, we're dumbed down and drugged out, hypnotized by the various frightening little devices that science has made available that are controlled by the elite.

No, I'm not ready to shut up and give up, but from what I have seen, most people already have and don't really care to join in dissent. As long as they have their possessions and a full belly, they will go along to get along, privately griping but publicly conceding.


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The people in this country couldn't get their shit together even if the Grand Canyon was the toilet.

:oops:

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can't tell yet how many will show up at this late date and time stamp, but
in St Louis at this address, 11 N 4th Street, there is a Restore The Fourth confab, downtown, I think

and in KC, City Market Park at the River Market, 3rd& Main

I bet ya there's young people there. Restore the Fourth, as in the 4th Ammendment, the right to be free from illegal search and seizure et al, That One...

right now

also in Fayetteville, AR, Louisville, KY, Dayton, Akron, Ashland, OH etc

this is a non-violent gathering of course, so leave your guns at home boys unless they know and you know the law and you keep your papers on you

But somebody will go and somebody will take pictures and somebody will write in the local paper and somebody might write the editor and somebody might call their congresscritter all week and somebody might find out about public appearances of same and somebody might find out a local lawyer if thugs be stupid and somebody might hold a fundraiser to bail peoples out if security wants to play rough and if cops act tough niceness and simple assurances of we're-just-people go alot farther than visual signals of tension and hostility. Of course. But yeah, due to my age I'd keep on the other side of the street/ barriers from those cops with the tasers. Every Monday they arrest a hundred and more boomers in North Carolina for several weeks now. Over those ass-backward bills they got shoveling into law by hamfisted One Way Brutes masquerading as congressional figureheads. And that's just NC...

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pedro2 wrote:
The people in this country couldn't get their shit together even if the Grand Canyon was the toilet.

:oops:


>munch, munch<
oh hi freto2,
>munch, munch<

you seen that movie World War Z yet, or Tonto, I mean, The LoneRanger? I hear they really give the people what they want
>munch, munch<

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simplex II wrote:
The temporary assholes that are causinig the destruction are temporary assholes and can be voted out. So can their bullshit 'laws'.


What are you talking about?

You can't vote men out of office who are not in office. You don't know their names or how much they really control. They sure as hell are not public figures. The world is run in the shadows. (Of course!)

Big Time Politics is over as an effective means to create healthy change. Anywhere there is big money, the darkside will sweep in and take over. Politics, music business, hollywood, food and beverage industry....
Dissenters? Buy em off with gold! If that doesn't work use lead.

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downer has a good grasp on reality. Voting has gotten us nowhere, most probably because the vote is rigged...push a button on the computer screen, and Diebold will count it for ya! Then, we will send the results to the Associated Press, who will tell everyone who won!

Yeah right.

Obama is like any other recent pResident. It's do or die for him...do what "they" want, or they will destroy you. Who are "they"? International bankers, for a start, and military industrialists for another.

How we gonna get rid of them?


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Actually Obama and his cohorts used data mining extensively in manipulating the electorate.

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[/quote]WOW you need to go to wikipedia, the USA has NO spacecraft to go to the space station, and I'll name one company, Scull construction.[/quote]

For all I know you could have just made up the name Scull construction and even if it's real, what ever usable construction knowledge you have will be obsolete in 10 years.

However what amuses me is that Plook was able to answer your other question in a more coherent manner.


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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
I'm not just addressing you, Bravo. Debates can have even more than 2 sides. Or it can have 2 sides with a bunch of sub-groups. I agree with much of what you post. I think you know that while I support the President, it is not Carte Blanche. Obama has abused his power, but beyond that, we likely differ. Also, I disagree that rajhoul's post is idiotic, despite the fact that it takes the technology beyond its current limits with a strange understanding of absurdity.


Strange understanding of absurdity ?


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Um , sorry but I could never accept an honor from any organization that gives honors.

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Actually Obama and his cohorts used data mining extensively in manipulating the electorate.
Funny how people who say this kind of thing would be offended if they were accused of being manipulable and have no real idea of how many people out there are as unmanipulable as they are and therefore also no idea of how hollow the point is of a statement such as "manipulating the electorate".

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rajhoul wrote:
The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
I'm not just addressing you, Bravo. Debates can have even more than 2 sides. Or it can have 2 sides with a bunch of sub-groups. I agree with much of what you post. I think you know that while I support the President, it is not Carte Blanche. Obama has abused his power, but beyond that, we likely differ. Also, I disagree that rajhoul's post is idiotic, despite the fact that it takes the technology beyond its current limits with a strange understanding of absurdity.


Strange understanding of absurdity ?


Yep.

Here's the original quote referenced several pages ago:

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Making homes using hammers and nails and wood with the state of our technology today, is really absurd and will go the way of our labor class in regards to manufacturing in the United States.


Absurd use of "absurd".

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polydigm wrote:
BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
Actually Obama and his cohorts used data mining extensively in manipulating the electorate.
Funny how people who say this kind of thing would be offended if they were accused of being manipulable and have no real idea of how many people out there are as unmanipulable as they are and therefore also no idea of how hollow the point is of a statement such as "manipulating the electorate".

Well as if you really care, the more in depth story of just how the obama machine used internet mining can be found; i just touched on the story, all was legal and true it takes an uninformed electorate to work well and the usa has that with so many that want freebies, but it was said that romney was on another planet in comparison to the use of this data mining

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WOW you need to go to wikipedia, the USA has NO spacecraft to go to the space station, and I'll name one company, Scull construction.[/quote]

For all I know you could have just made up the name Scull construction and even if it's real, what ever usable construction knowledge you have will be obsolete in 10 years.

However what amuses me is that Plook was able to answer your other question in a more coherent manner.[/quote]
you are ignorant, google scull construction you dumb ass, also ten years? you are very uninformed, i'll give you one example, no matter what method is used to build a house, someone will have to bring in the water and sewer, NO automated method will exist to bury the lines that will have to go under or over existing lines, ie locations , oh yes those folks will have to be there, and when the house is complete and lived in I will come with my tools and repair and maintain the structure, even unplug a toilet for dumb asses like you who can't even run a plunger.

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Ever heard of a tunnel boring machine ?

A small scale version could go underground.

Also in this video is equipment for sewers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugAsYC1u2s


It's possible that the vehicle in that video will be self-driven not driven by people and will have mechanical arms on the vehicles side that can grab and move objects and no buttons needed to push because it's digitally self automated.

The workforce will be reduced to 1 or 2 persons.

The point is that in the future mechanization will become more productive more efficient and more sustainable than human labor in virtually every sector of the economy today.

Machines do not need vacations, breaks, insurance pensions, and they can work 24 hours a day every day.

The output potential and accuracy compared to human labor, is unmatched.

The bottom line is that repetitive human labor is becoming obsolete and impractical across the world and the unemployment you see around you today is fundamentally the result of this evolution of efficiency in technology.

For years, market economists have dismissed this growing pattern which could be called “Technological Unemployment” because of the fact that new sectors always seemed to emerge to re-absorb the displaced workers.

Today, the service sector is the only real hub left and currently employs over 80% of the American workforce with most industrialized countries maintaining a similar proportion.

However, this sector is now being challenged increasingly by automated kiosks, automated restaurants, and even automated stores.

Economists today are finally acknowledging what they had been denying for years.

Not only is technological unemployment exasperating the current labor crisis we see across the world due to the global economic downturn, but the more the recession deepens the faster the industries are mechanizing.

The catch, which is not realized, is that the faster they mechanize to save money, the more they displace people, the more they reduce public purchasing power.

This means that, while the corporation can produce everything more cheaply, fewer and fewer people will actually have money to buy anything regardless of how cheap they become.

The bottom line is that the “labor for income” game is slowly coming to an end.


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wrong again dumb ass I actually operate inline boring machines, some have there own cameras, but existing lines have to be located you can't always go underneath everything and eventually you have to come up, so it seems you really have no idea what you speak of. Don't get me wrong i like science fiction also but you really are quite ignorant on the subject.

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