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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:38 am 
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Anyone want to talk about this?

Here's my point of view, quickly...

Our "intelligence" also said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction...they were never found...because he did not have them.

Russia won't like us lobbing cruise missiles at their ally. Putin has just about had enough of American meddling, and this might be the last straw.

Some innocent people were killed in an awful manner by someone. They were not Americans. We are not the World Morality Police. Yes, it is horrible, but also, really, none of our business.

Let Israel handle it. It's in their back yard.


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Fuck Syria. If those assholes wanna fight and kill each other every fucking day then GO AHEAD!! Fuck 'em, their gov't, the opposition, adults, kids, pets, bugs, just let it rot... And that goes for ALL of those shitbag Muslim/Arab countries.

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Yea I think we have zero foreign policy, now we telegraph what a response is lets just keep an eye in the sky on these camel jockeys, Saddam did have wmd's he used them on the curds, bu again bush played his hand and iraq moved them, looks like to syria as some said at the time. What a waste we use up our military in iraq and china gets the oil!, not cheney and we want this admin to run the health care in the us? Looks like we have an overabundance of low information voters.

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Anyone that voted for that shitdick Obama needs to be beaten in the fucking face with a ball peen hammer.

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I agree with all of you (except for the ball peen hammer part). I'm tired of foreign adventures. I'm tired of dead American soldiers who died for nothing. How about spending some of that money here at home before China quits funding our bankruptcy?


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jaypfunk wrote:
Anyone that voted for that shitdick Obama needs to be beaten in the fucking face with a ball peen hammer.



I'm not an Obama cheerleader but McCain/Palin!? We would have invaded Iran, Egypt & Syria already. Not to mention Georgia. McCain loves intervention/war.
And then the Wall Streeter the 2nd go round?
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What im hearing lately is that this is less about Syria itself and more about trying to decide what to do in the face of chemical weapons use.

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The Forum Killed Arkay wrote:
What im hearing lately is that this is less about Syria itself and more about trying to decide what to do in the face of chemical weapons use.


let them kill each other. fuck 'em. and the U.S. also needs to stop give billions and billions of dollars to these fuckhole countries too. STOP!!

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What about a one man Canadian intervention? Disco Boy could debate all those Syrians to death 8)

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DC Boogie wrote:
What about a one man Canadian intervention? Disco Boy could debate all those Syrians to death 8)


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jaypfunk wrote:
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What about a one man Canadian intervention? Disco Boy could debate all those Syrians to death 8)


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Some other countries should be given a chance to field this one.

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Milton Bradley wrote:
Some other countries should be given a chance to field this one.


no. everyone should butt out and let them fucking behave like savage cunts if they want. FUCK 'EM!!

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Milton Bradley wrote:
Some other countries should be given a chance to field this one.


no. everyone should butt out and let them fucking behave like savage cunts if they want. FUCK 'EM!!


Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'Cause we behave the same . . .
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near 'n far
Dumb all over,
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religious fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
'N makes the details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
You got over here

You can't run a race
Without no feet
'N pretty soon
There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religious fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(It won't blow up
'N disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years . . . )

You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (Get Down!)
Not his, not hers (but what the hey?)
The Good Book says:
"It gotta be that way!"
But their book says:
"REVENGE THE CRUSADES . . .
With whips 'n chains
'N hand grenades . . . "
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our God says:
"There ain't no other!"
Our God says
"It's all okay!"
Our God says
"This is the way!"

It says in the book:
"Burn 'n destroy . . .
Repent, 'n redeem
'N revenge, 'n deploy
'N rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
'Cause they don't go for what's in the book
'N that makes 'em BAD
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice French bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise
OUR GOD
("Cause he can really GO HAWAIIAN!")

And when his humble TV servant
With a brown suit,
Glasses,
Maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls
Tells us it's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
Ain't that right?
It's right.
I mean, seriously,
This television evangelist stuff is
DANGEROUS BUSINESS.
Don't let 'em get ya.
Anyway, listen.
We can't really be dumb
If we're just following God's Orders
After all He wrote this book here
An' in the book it says:
"He made us all to be just like Him," so . . .
If we're dumb . . .
Then God is dumb . . .
(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)

DUMB ALL OVER
A LITTLE UGLY ON THE SIDE
DUMB ALL OVER
A LITTLE UGLY ON THE SIDE

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 Post subject: Re: SYRIA
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From Commondreams.org


US Attack on Syria Would Circumvent Constitution, Intl Law
War drums grow louder as familiar tactics used to garner support for military action that only 9 percent of Americans support

- Jon Queally, staff writer


As a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll shows, support for further U.S. military involvement in Syria—whether called by its real name, "war," or the government's preferred euphemism, "intervention"—stands at a mere 9 percent.

Well aware of its own citizens' reluctance to embark on yet another military misadventure in the Middle East region after more than a decade of wars, it appears that the Obama administration, led by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday is eager to try its hand at shifting public opinion by employing what war critics see as familiar arguments and lofty rhetoric.

But as the Independent's Patrick Cockburn writes, "only a peace conference, not air strikes, can stop further bloodshed."

Claiming the U.S. now has "evidence" that the alleged chemical attack in Syria last week was perpetrated by the forces of President Bashar al-Assad, Kerry claimed the high ground for the "consequences" which according to many sources will come in the form of cruise missiles aimed at targets in the country's densely-populated capital of Damascus.

"There is a reason why no matter what you believe about Syria, all peoples and all nations who believe in the cause of our common humanity must stand up to assure that there is accountability for the use of chemical weapons so that it never happens again," Kerry said, seeming to infer that those who favor "common humanity" should now come to support U.S. airstrikes on the country.

But Phyllis Bennis, from the Institute of Policy Studies in Washington, together with David Wildman of Human Rights & Racial Justice for the Global Ministries of the United Methodist Church reject that suggestion, saying that cruise missiles will make the important work of diplomacy an impossibility. "What’s needed now," Bennis and Wildman write, "is tough diplomacy, not politically-motivated military strikes that will make a horrific war even worse."

"Let’s be clear," they continued. "Any US military attack, cruise missiles or anything else, will not be to protect civilians—it will mean taking sides once again in a bloody, complicated civil war.

In addition, as media outlets parrot administration claims about intelligence with little adversarial questioning from the Washington press corps, one question receiving at least some scrutiny amid the drum beat of war is whether or not Obama will seek to obtain either Congressional approval or a UN mandate for missile attacks or airstrikes against Syrian forces.

As McClatchy reports, however:

The Obama administration [...] has already shown a willingness to dance around legal restraints.

In March 2011, for instance, U.S. ships and warplanes began participating in an international air assault on Libya. The U.S. contribution to the six-month-long campaign included cruise missiles, drone strikes, bombers, fighters and more. Nonetheless, the State Department’s top legal adviser insisted the actions didn’t amount to “hostilities,” a legally significant term.

Using logic that could recur with Syria, then-legal adviser Harold Koh told a skeptical Senate Foreign Relations Committee in June 2011 that the “limited exposure for U.S. troops, limited risk of serious escalation and . . . limited military means” meant the Libyan campaign didn’t amount to hostile action. As a result, Obama asserted that he didn’t have to comply with the War Powers Resolution’s requirement that U.S. troops be withdrawn within 60 days of the start of hostilities unless Congress authorizes action.
But as foreign policy expert Robert Naiman wrote on the pages of Common Dreams Monday, these legal arguments are an affront to the Constitution and set in place a dangerous precedent. "There must be no U.S. military action in Syria without Congressional debate and authorization," Naiman wrote.

"If Congress doesn't count, then the American people don't count," Naiman continued, arguing that there's no emergency in Syria and that even if there was, Congress can simply be called into session. "It's no accident that the permanent war party wants the President to go around Congress when the majority of Americans are strongly opposed to a new war. If Congress and the American people can be evaded in this case, it's a body blow to the principle that U.S. foreign policy should be subordinate to democracy and the rule of law."

As Mary Ellen O’Connell, a professor of international law at the University of Notre Dame, told McClatchy, “The president and his close advisers talk a lot about international law, so I don’t see how the president can ignore that now without seeming to be hypocritical.”

She pointed out that in the international arena, only two circumstances generally permit war making: either a claim of national self-defense or an authorization given by the U.N. Security Council.

Self-defense doesn’t apply in the Syrian case, O’Connell said, because “the use of chemical weapons within Syria is not an armed attack on the United States.” And as has been widely acknowledged, the UN Security Council is likely a dead end for the U.S. and its European allies eager to strike Syria because Russia will likely veto any resolution calling for direct military action.

Of course, just gaining approval or sanction for military action does not necessarily justify what peace advocates would still consider a misguided approach to bringing an ultimate end to the violence in Syria.

As The Nation's Bob Dreyfuss argued Monday, even if the Assad regime is proven to have used chemical weapons on its own people—a terrible and horrific crime—it does not follow that US or NATO airstrikes will rectify the problem or help save lives in the long-term.

The proper response by the United States," said Dreyfuss, "is an all-out effort to achieve a ceasefire in the Syrian civil war. It’s late in the game but it can be done."

According to polling, nearly 91 percent of Americans would likely support that.


http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/08/27


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 Post subject: Re: SYRIA
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I say in the words of obama and biden, the us has to hit the reset button and not act like a cowboy and attack a country without congressional approval which would be an impeachable offense, Bush went to congress, so with libya and now syria, we see just what we have for a pres.

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Some may wonder, what was that part about "Congress shall declare war."

Some may wonder why so many are illusioned that US/UK military intervention is a fix they need to decide whether to send or not.

Some may say, "block the UN, and get in there, (before the flock notices I did it again)."

Some closest to the killing may need it to end so much that they're willing to meet to get what they need.

Some may think UN teams of brethren regional faces can help a cease fire while they get what they need.

Some have already thought, "never let a good crisis go to waste."

Some figure the decision's been made.

Some see the peace ruined, and violence escalated by the evil less-evil vote.

I choose to remember, before all our new wars, an MLK quote...

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it...

Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate....

Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.


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brainpang wrote:
jaypfunk wrote:
Anyone that voted for that shitdick Obama needs to be beaten in the fucking face with a ball peen hammer.



I'm not an Obama cheerleader but McCain/Palin!? We would have invaded Iran, Egypt & Syria already. Not to mention Georgia. McCain loves intervention/war.
And then the Wall Streeter the 2nd go round?
We are fucked...

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If they had anything we wanted we would already have been there and done that.
No strategic value = No criteria for Syria
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Obama seems to be backing down as Putin sends ships to the Mediterranean...

http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-st ... er-to-med/


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