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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:37 pm 
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Kerry King from Slayer said that their album Diabolus in Musica was their 'Turbo'. Referencing Judas Priest's worst album that experimented too much in what was popular at the time.

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I did destroy a dozen of my paintings in mid 90's i regret alot :(

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:57 am 
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Kafka destroyed much of his work and even asked a friend to burn the rest after he was gone...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:41 pm 
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I read The Trial last year. He might have been on to something.





Zutbof...why? Angry?


What if there were artists that destroyed all their works immediately upon completion?

Would people not give a shit even more?






I got reams of old writings I should shred.


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Claude Monet had auto-destructive tendencies. In 1909 Monet thinned his famous “Water Lilies” series: “He shredded at least 30 canvasses, just slashed ‘em up.”

The methods of destruction have varied. A young Robert Rauschenberg submerged some of his sculptures in the Arno River. The painter Gerhard Richter applied a box cutter to 60 canvases that Der Spiegel estimated would be worth $665 million today. John Baldessari set fire to every single painting he made between 1953 and 1966 and preserved some of the ashes in an urn. Jasper Johns simply tossed dissatisfactory work to the curb.

You could imagine these destructive moments as acts of passion, but Landi writes they’re usually more calculated than that. “The decision to demolish is about an artist wanting to take control of his or her legacy before death wrests away that option,” she writes. Artists improve over time and their styles evolve and settle into mature form; often they don’t want their misguided early efforts to cloud the way they’re remembered.


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas ... o_des.html

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:46 am 
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I read The Trial last year. He might have been on to something.

You mean being on something as in to burn his stuff or as in that he got something right with the contents of this book?

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Horrible to hear, Zut... your work is so awesome!

Fun Fact: the humour calendar on the day I was born read: "Kafka zag zelf geen Brod in zijn boeken."

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Horrible to hear, Zut... your work is so awesome!

Fun Fact: the humour calendar on the day I was born read: "Kafka zag zelf geen Brod in zijn boeken."

Bad Kafka joke of the day (after these messages):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMvARL5bxMk

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The Trial was a difficult book, and a pretty good movie made by Orson Wells.

The thing is, nobody really understands the book aside from a few academics. This is the problem for all artists, being understood by the human race. It's a deep book with lots of meaning, but he might as well have tossed it for all the insight it gave to the average person.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:18 am 
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Juan Carlos was an inquisitive man. He was a very hard worker who often used his powerful logic to tediously examine and to vociferously speculate on every aspect of his life, and upon every general attribute of life itself.

He was always Juan Carlos. Everyone referred to him as "Juan Carlos". He was intelligent and articulate, but then quite brash and foolhardy. He never wondered much why he never made it to just "Juan", even with his closest of companions.

Juan Carlos always had a dog. Dogs loved Juan Carlos.

Juan Carlos considered himself to be an artist of words. He had made several so-called "sacrifices" in order to prepare and enable himself to create various works of poetic challenge. In most instances, these "sacrifices" amounted to extended periods of extreme partyhood, and the literary results were invariably obtuse beyond decipher. He toiled in trivial, itinerant employment for much of his adult existence.

When Juan Carlos was forty-five years of age, he decided to start a word project that would tell the tales of his disjointed life. The autobiographical tome would be cut into sections according to the various relationships he had tolerated with various women he had become associated with in his long and tepid travels. The aim of the creation was to be bluntly truthful about every inward and outward aspect of human reality.

Juan Carlos had a dog named Agnes, and a brother named Simone.

Just Simone.

Juan Carlos spent many years of spare time writing his book, and eventually came to catch up with himself, whereupon the autobiography became a diary, one in which Juan Carlos continued to nurture as the years passed.

Agnes provided a continuous line of scurrilous squirrel-hunting dogs for Simone and his brother, Juan Carlos. As the dogs hunted, so did Juan Carlos write his book.

It was charged with poetic justice. The prose had its own unique music, and the truth that lay in the bed of his heart was proudly exposed in the sheer, brutal shine of his talent and ability. Yet only he was aware of it.

He had kept the tome from everyone. He had learned from experience, and he knew it was for Juan Carlos only. Somehow, in the passing of his journeys, he had developed quite a cross hatred for his countrymen as a whole, although his soul still felt love both tender and lustful on an individual level.

He loved Agnes. He loved Simone.

He had strong feelings for others, as well. But, on the barge of his examined life, he could find no way out for mankind itself. Mankind was indelibly flawed, and while it may have once had some sliver of hope for its redemption, the facts of the new century was proving this hope to be fraudulent beyond defense. Juan Carlos saw the future often, his own, in dreams the day before they came true. Now those dreams were few and fewer.

So, Juan Carlos kept the book to himself, rationalizing with his self-buttered ego that the human race did not deserve the pleasure of viewing this fantastic epic.

Eventually, the squirrel dogs faded out, and some just disappeared, and Simone passed on to death in a way that left Juan Carlos dumb with disgust for his fellow man. The diary, now, he wasn't sure. It was veering from art to rant, becoming sort of an odd call from the solid shore to the crew of a sinking ship he could see on the horizon.

Juan Carlos got some disease that no one could figure out. He continued on the diary until he became too weak to think clearly, and create. He contacted an attorney and arranged for some very specific requests regarding the disposition of his art and the processes of his internment.

Juan Carlos lived longer than any godless man should expect. On a very ill night of bad dreaming, Juan Carlos saw the empty black of death, and woke up shaken. He hated dreaming. He hated hating. He was glad it was over. He wrapped the huge manuscript in a brown paper bag, and taped it up securely with masking tape.

As the body lay at rest for viewing by his friends and family, under the arm of what was once Juan Carlos there was nestled the crumpled package of his life, a sweet and bitter document clutched tenderly to its still and grateful bosom.

Had Juan Carlos somehow survived the demise of his body, and was somehow granted his personage again in the form of a continued-consciousness seeing being that could have somehow been invisibly present at the occasion of his final celebration, he might have seen many of one of the most curiously satisfying of all human facial contortions, the subtly automatic expression of curiosity itself.

As the body entered the crematorium, what was once Juan Carlos clutched the document tenderly to its still and grateful bosom.


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A rope leash wrote:
Zutbof...why? Angry?

Fear of success, i dont want to be famous.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:23 am 
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BBP thank you :) but my paintings are really easy to do, there not alot of work in, thats why i respect so much other artists who some time work like 2 months on a single piece, mine have an average of 3 days of paint.

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ZutboF wrote:
A rope leash wrote:
Zutbof...why? Angry?

Fear of success, i dont want to be famous.


Judging by that hack job in your avatar, you have nothing to worry about.

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jaypfunk, first in his class at the Trendmonger School of Diplomacy.


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jaypfunk, first in his class at the Trendmonger School of Diplomacy.


Worshiping Trendy's 'moment of clarity' too!

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jaypfunk wrote:
ZutboF wrote:
A rope leash wrote:
Zutbof...why? Angry?

Fear of success, i dont want to be famous.


Judging by that hack job in your avatar, you have nothing to worry about.


I love honnest people thanks 8)

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Honest but a cunt.

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I did destroy a dozen of my paintings in mid 90's i regret alot :(

Next time send them to me and I'll keep them until you want them back, but don't destroy them ZutBof. Your an artist, therefor not qualified to judge your work. :mrgreen:

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Honest but a cunt.

Fish don't lie. :twisted:

John Lennon always said the BeaTles music was crap until he was out of them. Then he became a collector like everyone else...only I bet his BeaTle collection could beat anybody's.....nooo shhhiiittt.

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Kerry King from Slayer said that their album Diabolus in Musica was their 'Turbo'. Referencing Judas Priest's worst album that experimented too much in what was popular at the time.

Kerry King only wrote the music for one song on that album. Maybe that's why he doesn't like it.


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I don't remember Alice Cooper braggin' about his first two albums until the 3rd album with *I'm Eighteen* hit the charts with a bullet. FZ produced his 1st two I believe or was it just one? Any AC/FZ Freaks know, fer, sure, fer sure? :?:

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KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
FZ produced his 1st two I believe or was it just one? Any AC/FZ Freaks know, fer, sure, fer sure?

I'm no AC Freak but I know his first two albums came out on Straight. David Briggs had a hand in producing the second.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
KAPT.KIIRK wrote:
FZ produced his 1st two I believe or was it just one? Any AC/FZ Freaks know, fer, sure, fer sure?

I'm no AC Freak but I know his first two albums came out on Straight. David Briggs had a hand in producing the second.

I thought FZ produced 1 or 2 of his albums. I don't think FZ had his own label back then either. Maybe not the first two but one or two at least??? Hmm? Might have to do some diggin'. Hopefully I'll wake up to my answer. We got both kinda' Freaks here on the Zappa forum. :D 8)

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My copy of "Pretties For You" says "produced by Alice Cooper" and judging from the sound (like they're playing in a paper bag), I can believe it. DM is right about David Briggs as producer on "Easy Action", tho' Herb Cohen was apparently executive producer. Both albums originally came out on Straight (Cat. #s 1051 and 1061). Actually, according to Norbert Obermann's "Zappalog", "Love It To Death" was also released via Straight (1065). All were later re-released on Warner Brothers.

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Yup, no production involvement from FZ. His role, I rather suspect, was that of a talent scout anyway.

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