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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:26 pm 
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The appreciation of certain intervals has taken time. It took ages before the 4th was allowed, even the 6th was considered impure for a long time. There's something creepy about listening to early polyphonic music, pretty much up to the Renaissance. It's almost impossible how consonant Machaut's Messe de Notre Dame is.
And you have to admit, tritones sound pretty vile.

My favourite chord is in an un-numbered Chopin waltz: it's not even included on several Chopin waltz compilations I have. It puts a D, A flat, A and B-flat opposite each other. It took some research before I believed it wasn't a typo in the book.
Starts in at 1 h 23 sec.

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Boy, do I wish there was something else I could do with my musicological study besides flaunting it.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:57 pm 
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Boy, do I wish there was something else I could do with my musicological study besides flaunting it.

Can you teach?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:07 pm 
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The man who says "music is not rocket science" obviously never took a harmony course.

hahaha. Good one.

But seriously....
Harmony is not going to explode and kill people if you make a mistake.

My whole life has been a harmony course. Perhaps you want music to be rocket science, BBP. Maybe it's an ego thing for you.

I happen to know that music is far more important and spiritually nutritious than rocket science.


DM: as a musicology student I saw many people bite off more than they can chew for harmony. If it was as simple as just defining the notes none of them would have issues, but gathering whether you have a C-minor chord with added 6th or an A-minor 7th chord from the context of the piece, that's where the kicker is. Just because it's not lethal, doesn't mean it's not hard.

And if you have to blame your ignorance on other people's egos, well sorry you've earned a one-way trip to my ignore list. I'm a pleasant person but when people start offending me, that's when they lose all good in my book.


BBP, am I on your ignore list for that? There's no reason to be offended. I was trying to spark a discussion with you. I'm not blaming your ego for my supposed ignorance. I said "perhaps" it's your ego. That's a question.

What ignorance? I've been studying music and it's history for a long time, too. I find very little of it relevant anymore- if I'm totally honest with myself. Most of it is knowledge for knowledge's sake and not applicable to the modern world except as an extension of my own ego.

Music can be as hard as you want to make it. It can be simple. If you like to make it extremely difficult it's probably because you are in it for competitive reasons and not for reasons having to do with communication. Or maybe you do it to challenge yourself, which I'm all for but I'm not going to inflict it on other people- to learn or to listen to! Either way, no one is gonna die if you fuck up a musical passage. Music is better than that. Musicians who are horrified to hit a wrong note are generally duller than your average pojama person. Oh, and I love the sound of the tritone. So powerful it was banned.

I never once said playing intense music was easy. Discipline is key to being great at anything. Practice, study and hard work. The thing is, once you've got a grasp on the technique, theory etc, it's time to forget it and do something unique with it.


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Let's pe perfectly semantical and pedantic about this, since semantics is all I have. I only see what it says right there, in your post:
"Maybe it's an ego thing for you."
That's not a question, a question would have the verb at the beginning and a question mark in the end This is a statement, and the added "maybe" implies that the verity of the statement is not 100%, but at least 80% and that's enough for you to consider it true. If that's not what you meant, you should have formulated it better. Formulation is all the information I have: I don't see your face, there's no nuance in font and it'll take much more time to both construct a mail and reply. Take that time to construct a sentence carefully. You see what happens if you don't.

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Boy, do I wish there was something else I could do with my musicological study besides flaunting it.

Do you compose? I use MuseScore because it works well and it's free.


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I do. MuseScore was something I could not work with. I used NoteWorthy Composer for a long time, but now I'm back at playing my stuff myself.

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BBP wrote:
"Maybe it's an ego thing for you."
That's not a question, a question would have the verb at the beginning and a question mark in the end This is a statement, and the added "maybe" implies that the verity of the statement is not 100%, but at least 80% and that's enough for you to consider it true.

Now I definitely think it's an ego thing. :wink:

"Maybe" implies that the verity of the statement is 50% and that is not enough for me to consider it true. Still, I worded it badly and sounded like a dick. My fault.
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Take that time to construct a sentence carefully.

I'll try to do better in the future.
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now I'm back at playing my stuff myself.

That's the spirit!

Composers should get their hands dirty.


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Maybe Dweezil has a solo act??? Maybe I didn't know he left DZpZ! Maybe an old thread?
Does he have a new gig other than DZpZ, like Z was??? Did the band break up? I have tickets!!! If I fly to LA and go to The Roxy on the 9th of Dec., will Sheila be there playing???

Just in case I'll catch IW in Chico with For The Love Of Frank on the 29th at a small club. I saw Ike with Pajama People and I'd like to ask Ike what he's doing for Ali and the band since Glen Leonard and leader of PP passed last month... and are they still gonna work together?
IW owes Glen Leonard big time! In everyone's opinion! I know I'll miss him.

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Thanks for explaining DM... you're off my ignore-list now. Let's shake hands!

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Fun In The Studio Happening Soon

Hello Everyone,

I'm looking forward to beginning work on a new record of my own material. I have been writing some new songs and trying out some different guitar ideas lately. I took a few guitar lessons in styles I'm unfamiliar with such as Carnatic music from India, Turkish Gypsy Rhythms and Arabic maqams with quarter flats. I will eventually make a hybrid of some of these exotic sounds within my own playing and my own music. To do so I will have to get used to some new instruments such as Glissentar, Oud and standard guitar with a 1/4 tone neck.

Another exciting element to this project will be my collaboration with prodcuer engineer Joe Barresi. The sonic characteristics of this record will be heavy duty. We are going to use a lot of old school analog technology for fun.

We begin in November. I'll keep you all posted.

DZ

You can find that here :arrow: http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/users/1963237/posts

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This sounds like it could be interesting


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Exciting News!

Dweezil wrote on Nov 5, 2014

Hello Everyone,
I have some exciting news!
Tomorrow I will be announcing the details of a very significant leap in my own musical journey. Keep your eyes posted for details at 12 noon PST!

Look here. :arrow: http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/posts/ ... iting-news

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Trip wrote:
Exciting News!

Dweezil wrote on Nov 5, 2014

Hello Everyone,
I have some exciting news!
Tomorrow I will be announcing the details of a very significant leap in my own musical journey. Keep your eyes posted for details at 12 noon PST!

Look here. :arrow: http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/posts/ ... iting-news



I heard is going to be Taylor Swifts touring guitarist... :shock:


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Plook wrote:
Trip wrote:
Exciting News!

Dweezil wrote on Nov 5, 2014

Hello Everyone,
I have some exciting news!
Tomorrow I will be announcing the details of a very significant leap in my own musical journey. Keep your eyes posted for details at 12 noon PST!

Look here. :arrow: http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/posts/ ... iting-news



I heard is going to be Taylor Swifts touring guitarist... :shock:


Dweez and Tay Tay.....No way!


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Gray_Ghost wrote:
Plook wrote:
Trip wrote:
Exciting News!

Dweezil wrote on Nov 5, 2014

Hello Everyone,
I have some exciting news!
Tomorrow I will be announcing the details of a very significant leap in my own musical journey. Keep your eyes posted for details at 12 noon PST!

Look here. :arrow: http://www.dweezilzappaworld.com/posts/ ... iting-news



I heard is going to be Taylor Swifts touring guitarist... :shock:


Dweez and Tay Tay.....No way!



hmmm, one writes memorable songs and the other doesn't. who would benefit most?


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DWEEZIL ZAPPA/PLEDGE MUSIC

Dweezil wrote on Nov 5, 2014
Hello Everyone,

I'm excited to announce that today I am officially "breaking ground" on my new album. I begin in the studio today with engineer co-producer Joe Baressi (Queens Of The Stone Age, Tool) recording the basic tracks for my first solo record in 10 years.

I have decided to partner with Pledge Music for the release of my new record. I've made a video which chronicles the events leading up to this event.

http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/dweezilzappa



Because of this partnership there is now a fantastic way for any folks out there who are interested in taking part with me on this musical journey. I will be able to offer everyone an unprecedented look inside my creative process, what instruments are being used and many other studio details of note.

With Pledge Music you can be a fly on the wall throughout the making of my new record if you like. You'll be able to receive weekly updates and unique opportunities to get involved in the record in various ways.

This record is a collection of songs and a few instrumentals. It is going to be filled with diversity and will most definitely be a departure from anything I have ever done. Undoubtedly there will be a few surprises along the way too!

For the last decade I have been working on developing new guitar skills and blazing a new trail for myself. Along the way I have worked hard to fuse unusual musical influences within my playing. I've always been fascinated by the sound of Arabic and Indian music as well as Balkan rhythms and melodies. Check out the extra 1/4 tone fretted Stratocaster below!

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Now it's time to see where those influences take me as a musician and songwriter. Accompanying me on this new musical project are my Zappa Plays Zappa band members, Scheila Gonzales, Kurt Morgan, Ryan Brown, Ben Thomas and Chris Norton.

I hope to see you all on http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/dweezilzappa to follow my new record.

Thanks, DZ

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It makes total sense to have ZPZ as the studio band. Especially for the FZ/DZ collaboration.

They have to tour and support this!

It will be epic.

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It sounds exciting

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Sounds like a cool project.

And an extra 1/4 tone fretted (strat) guitar?! I wonder how that'll sound...?

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DZ fb studio update

DZ wrote:

Yesterday we recorded the Master take for "Dragon Master." It's a super heavy Iron Maiden style rocker. It sounds like there is an enormous Dragon swinging his tail around the studio. For those unfamiliar, Dragon Master is the only co-write I ever got to do with my dad. He wrote the lyrics in 1986. I can't wait for you all to hear them!

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Trip wrote:
I will be able to offer everyone an unprecedented look inside my creative process, what instruments are being used and many other studio details of note.

With Pledge Music you can be a fly on the wall throughout the making of my new record if you like. You'll be able to receive weekly updates and unique opportunities to get involved in the record in various ways.

More gimmicks.

The man knows his customers.

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DZ: For the last decade I have been working on developing new guitar skills and blazing a new trail for myself. Along the way I have worked hard to fuse unusual musical influences within my playing.

It's as if he wants to be considered a guitar genius. But it's 2014. He's at least 3 decades late. The electric guitar has been quite thoroughly explored. And no "guitar god" in history ever made a career out of playing someone else's licks.

At least he's trying to release something original.


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And an extra 1/4 tone fretted (strat) guitar?! I wonder how that'll sound...?

Does his amp go to 11 as well?


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Dweezil wrote on Nov 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to take a moment to update you on what's been happening in the studio. We've recorded 7 songs in the last 3 days.

1.Dragon Master
2.Nothing
3.Clothes On Fire
4.Just The Way She Is
5.Rat Race
6.What If?
7.(Funky 15) tentative title

Each song has its own unique drum set up, different drums, different microphones etc. Engineer co-producer Joe Barresi is doing an amazing job painting the audio picture. We are tracking to analog tape and that familiar character of classic recordings from the 60's and 70's is there doing its thing!

The record is taking shape already. There is a lot of diversity in style and texture from song to song. One song in particular will be quite a deviation from my previous work. It best represents what I have learned during this last decade of playing my father's music. I've fused many of my musical interests into this one song which at the moment is called Funky 15. It's an instrumental that has a repeating rhythmic figure in the unusual time signature of 15/8.

Because of the abnormailty of the phrase the drum groove turns around a lot during the song. It's a nail biting toe tapper!

The melody is also quite different from my previous work. It's constructed to have a 2 voice cluster filled brass melody and a string quartet counter melody. I'm excited to be able to record a real string quartet and have Scheila and Ben play the brass. The song is the fusion of progressive rock , jazz and modern classical and it lays the foundation for some other melodic guitar adventures of my own. There is a hypnotic bass line during the solo section that has shift between major and minor in a pecuilar way and I find it fascinating. I can't wait to see what happens once it's time to record leads!

There is a lot left to do on the record. We plan to track at least 4 more songs. Then it will be time for vocals, keys and guitar overdubs. I'll keep you posted. Feel free to see what's going on over the pledge site for updates, photos and coming soon... video and audio clips!

http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/dweezilzappa

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