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The Band!
Ian Underwood, keyboard 1/electric alto sax
Randy Kerber, keyboard 2/Hammond organ
Joe Travers, drum set
Scott Thunes, electric bass
Jamie Kime, electric guitar

This is to be taken seriously!


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Thanx Manx!

Randy Kerber's Wikipage:
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Congrates Dave O You scooped Trendy....this of course will lead to a relentless compaign by the monger to have you banned from DZW


PS: I hear the orchestra will be doing more :roll:


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The Band!
Ian Underwood, keyboard 1/electric alto sax
Randy Kerber, keyboard 2/Hammond organ
Joe Travers, drum set
Scott Thunes, electric bass
Jamie Kime, electric guitar

This is to be taken seriously!

So Trendy, it is not a World Premiere after all? They have a "Rock" band!!! :mrgreen:

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Let the monster sleep.


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But I must prod the poodle, on behalf of the Pope.


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Alright then...


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With one week to go it looks like this show is finally a sell out. C Ya there!


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If anyone continues to ponder the forum trend of Little Green Scratchy Sweaters & Courduroy Ponce wearing Irish Catholic Victums, the WHAT of the production is playing itself out rather nicely. As we can see the so called "Band" side of things has shown that it is more-so an assembly of some really fine musicians that fit in with the scope of what FZ had put together for Comtempo 1970 and the film/LP more-so than represent the specific larger scaled rock side of the touring Mothers Of Invention.

Yes folks, you won't be seeing or hearing the specific core band side of what The Mothers represented playing music on the road. What I mean is all the many woodwinds, vocals(the so called rock band vocal side of things are seeming more-so soloists and character roles than part of the band) and all other notable live musical things the Mothers did for those 5 years of touring, that key does not fit into the pod bay door. While it's going to be interesting seeing all the band side of things, that includes Ian whipping the sax out, the monolith of thought has us seeing the band side is something Frank threw together, that band side that FZ put together is not specific of the mothers of those 5 years. Is this a Mothers-Of-Invention-Sort-Of-Group? Is this a Zappa Plays Zappa-Alumni-Sort-Of-Group? Hmmm it all seems secondary. Secondary as it was to Frank Zappa when he put a group together for Comtempo 1970 and chiselled away to fit it along with his orchestral score. Don't get me wrong the band instrumentation is part of the composers intent but it's more-so about the whole enchilada.....One thing is for certain and that this will be the "first complete realization of Zappa’s musical vision" yes, the orchestra will be doing more.

This is the real deal, a large scaled event with a long list of players. The LA Philharmonic has updated the bios. All the character roles, soloists and the band. Many here have been following the road. There is no sense of arguing over apples and oranges. This is the vision of the composer. There is just far too much involved in this large scaled production to focus energy on what the Mothers were live on stage for those 5 years of touring.

http://www.laphil.com/tickets/10th-anni ... 2013-10-23

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Well, Trendy, you must have fun doing this, so I'll give it a try...

As the torchum continues, the object of Trendy's project continues to be diffusely optiganal. The melange of multi-partisan objectification of non-straightforward allusions and anthropomorphised set pieces provide non-sequiters exclusionary to the forthright, due to rejection of any but self-generated expoundage.
Like the Kool-Aid Man breaking down the walls of thirst for FZ, the allemande of Trendy's square dance is left out as he breaks his toe kicking on the light switch causing the proscenium to fall and render the anticipating audience unconscious.

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Lots of good stuff here. Nice to read that, "Mrs. Zappa is advocating to include 'Lonesome Cowboy Burt' as a tribute to Jimmy Carl Black." Obviously for 'Pete Griffin', read 'Kurt Morgan'. Tch!

http://www.mxdwn.com/2013/10/15/features/frank-zappas-200-motels-comes-to-life-in-green-umbrella-at-the-walt-disney-concert-hall/

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Awesome article! :)
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The Idiot Bastard wrote:
Lots of good stuff here. Nice to read that, "Mrs. Zappa is advocating to include 'Lonesome Cowboy Burt' as a tribute to Jimmy Carl Black." Obviously for 'Pete Griffin', read 'Kurt Morgan'. Tch!

http://www.mxdwn.com/2013/10/15/features/frank-zappas-200-motels-comes-to-life-in-green-umbrella-at-the-walt-disney-concert-hall/

The Frank Zappa’s 200 Motels Comes to Life in Green Umbrella at the Walt Disney Concert Hall article is most revealing... and but also YES... The orchestra will be doing more.

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Frank Zappa’s 200 Motels Comes to Life in Green Umbrella at the Walt Disney Concert Hall
Feature Blog by Chad Gorn October 15th, 2013
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http://www.mxdwn.com/2013/10/15/feature ... cert-hall/

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Years ago, Gail Zappa, the late Frank Zappa’s wife, sat on a floor with Todd Yvega and Ali Askin, two of Frank’s prized musical assistants, with pages and pages of music spread out across a large room. Together, they reconstructed the order of the suites in a score into what was always meant to be the orchestral work, 200 Motels. Gone was the rock and roll and other pieces that were included in 200 Motels, the 1971 concert film/psychedelic romp.

“This score is more refined and it is actually very close, if not exact, to all the notes Frank actually wrote, in the order that he wrote them,” said Mrs. Zappa, “and that’s what we’re presenting.” More recently, Kurt Morgan, the bassist for Dweezil Zappa’s project, Zappa Plays Zappa, helped bring the project to completion. “The music for 200 Motels was originally intended for a piece called Music for the Queen’s Circus,” recalled Mrs. Zappa, but when this opportunity presented itself to Zappa, he repurposed some of the music. “This is a normal way of approaching things,” explained Mrs. Zappa. “You use what you’ve got and you add to it to make a whole piece.”


Yes the orchestra will be doing more..... While I have been talking of this for some time it's understandable how the 200 Motels Film and LPs could easily get a listener to think that 200 Motels has a definitive rock side to the performance. In the past I have pointed to vivid clues where FZs intentions were for 200 Motels to be far more orchestral that had appeared in Contempo 1970 and the film. Certainly Frank did some chiselling on his Orchestral Score for Contempo 70 with Zubin Meta and The LA Philharmonic. Yes that event Frank quickly assembled a "Mothers-Of-Invention-Sort-Of-Group". (seek the path to The Real Frank Zappa Book) Simply put, a soft orchestra and a loud rock band have it's problems occupying the same tonal landscape. Sure there is a band side to 200 Motels, but I think it has always been pertinent to understand the composers intent of the orchestral score, the choral group, the soloist and character roles. This has been something I have maintained since day one of this discussion. The entire production and all the players involved. the opus is ever more-so important to the composers intent than worrying what was happening with the live Mothers blowing it out loud and live on stage over 5 years.

But for those that are looking to get as much out of the so called "Band" side of things. The article mentions a "seven-piece rock band". Let's dig a little deeper.... " the large stage will be practically overflowing with a 40-piece choir, twelve soloists, a seven-piece rock band and an 80-member orchestra, including an enormous percussion section" . Now this is so FZ. In the part of enormous percussion section..... All these integral musical parts, the soloist and character roles, where each have specific stage instructions that the composer wrote out. Clearly this is an opus.

"“We’re staging it, but we’re staging it because Frank had very specific instructions in the score about what he wanted the characters to be doing,” explained Smith."

All in all Chad Gorn's article is very informative. The monolith of thought should be wide open but certainly there are ???. We can still wonder what the article mentions in "seven-piece rock band". The ZFTs publicist Mitch Schneider Organization reports in their Media Alert Kit that the band will be a 5 piece band.

http://www.msopr.com/press-releases/fra ... 00-motels/

But if that were not enough some changes were made to the MXDWN article. Initially it was reported that some of the score preparation was done by Pete Griffin. That was corrected, and but also, some of the rock pieces that were mentioned as not included in the program have been omitted from the article. Maybe some things should be left as a surprise. In this large scaled production there certainly will be more surprises than anything that Broadway has ever witnessed. As far as how the Scoremeister correction came about. Scott Carter Thunes, the bands electric bass player, due noted that "Kurt Morgan, the current Zappa Plays Zappa bassist, prepared the score, not Pete Griffin (who quit a year ago)." Why thank you Mr. Thunes....

Kurt has been doing an amazing job as the ZFT Scoremeister. Folks are starting to see some of the hard work that Kurt puts into the role of Scoremeister. Let it be know that Kurt has been involved in the Scoremeister role for longer than some folks realise. Quite some time ago Kurt shared with me some audio N'Lightenment of one of FZs uncompleted orchestral works. It's not my job to reveal any surprises that lurk inside the vault but let's just say that Frank did make orchestral scores from some of his well known works. I will give an example of one completed orchestral score that folks are aware of though. Sinister Footwear is an example of such. With Sinister Footwear you have some parts that FZ originally wrote on guitar and then later scored for orchestra. The Zappa Affair, Kent Nagano conductor, The Berkeley Symphony, Sinister Footwear. FZs chiselling at the Sinister Footwear score has a long history. That too not only deserves the attention of more orchestras, and but also, a really fine recording..... I am not going to give anything away regarding what scores, and or uncompleted scores exist in the vault, but folks should be aware that scores, and or partial scores do exist. There is stuff beyond the synclavier work. Some of these scores can and have been entered into a software program that gives you a basic idea of what a score, or a partial score might sound like, and but also, this is all very much in line of what is happening NOW, which leads a path past the sleep-like-Wizzard-Of-Oz-Poppy-Fields, directly towards the Optimism-Of-The- FUTCHUM, YES you guessed right.

The Orchestra Will Be Doing More.....

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Initially it was reported that some of the score preparation was done by Pete Griffin. That was corrected, and but also, some of the rock pieces that were mentioned as not included in the program have been omitted from the article.


Joe Travers' current role has also been updated, Todd Yvega's name now correctly spelled, and the quote about Jimmy Carl Black completely removed. Chad Gorn's article is very illuminating.

Meanwhile, Scott Carter Thunes has confirmed that the event will be recorded.

Unfurl the bunting.

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Please link to where Thunes talked about recording. Does that mean video? With all the talk of visual components of the performance, it would seem that video would be a necessity.

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Please link to where Thunes talked about recording. Does that mean video? With all the talk of visual components of the performance, it would seem that video would be a necessity.


It was on my Facebook page, where he first read the Gorn article and got upset for Kurt. I'll ask if he can expand upon this....

[later that night]

....er, okay...can't be too specific, but yes.

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Initially it was reported that some of the score preparation was done by Pete Griffin. That was corrected, and but also, some of the rock pieces that were mentioned as not included in the program have been omitted from the article.


Joe Travers' current role has also been updated, Todd Yvega's name now correctly spelled, and the quote about Jimmy Carl Black completely removed. Chad Gorn's article is very illuminating.

Meanwhile, Scott Carter Thunes has confirmed that the event will be recorded.

Unfurl the bunting.


and but also, in the part where "Gone was the rock and roll and other pieces that were included in 200 Motels, the 1971 concert film/psychedelic romp" If I remember correctly this context led to where mention was made of two specific rock numbers that would not be included in the program. From my memory one such so called rock piece was Magic Fingers. Part of the whole orchestra doing more is ever so much more encompassing of the entire opus as opposed to a rock band section of the program that includes Magic Fingers with the guitar solo. That was one specific section of the film where we see the real Frank Zappa but the opus seems ever so much more about a score with characters than the real mothers blowing it loud and live on stage.

The article was updated and for now we are going to have to take it as is. Unfortunately errors occur in articles. As I had reported there are discrepancies between the article and the ZFT official publicist MSO Media Alert Kit. It's nice for Scott to take his time and make that due note correction. History shows us that the opus is far too encompassing to just look at the film and lp to get a full understanding of FZs complete orchestral score. I for one am happy that there will be surprises involved. If Magic Fingers is or is not included, that may be one of those surprises. Even if it is included it can be done without blowing out the orchestra but maybe it's just one of those things that do not fit. We are going to have to see more about the production as the live event unfolds.

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I for one am happy that there will be surprises involved.


Hey, Trendy - are you actually gonna see the LA event?

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I for one am happy that there will be surprises involved.


Hey, Trendy - are you actually gonna see the LA event?


Unfortunately I can not attend. My responsibility with my family life makes it impossible. I can not be happier for all involved, especially my dear friend Joe Travers. His role in this event is something I've been happy about for a long time. I've been fortunate to see many fine orchestral Zappa events here in NYC. I can only hope that NYC will one day have a complete 200 Motels event. The news of a recording is optimistic that an official release will make it's way to a ZFT label.

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Joe Travers' current role has also been updated,

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Not so sure what you mean by this. Has there been a recent update to Joe's Bio Page?
Things look the same to me.
ABOUT THE PERFORMER

Joe Travers

http://www.laphil.com/philpedia/joe-travers

The 10TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION: Green Umbrella: Zappa's 200 Motels page still lists Joe Trasvers drum set
http://www.laphil.com/tickets/10th-anni ... 2013-10-23



If you are referring to the ABOUT THE PERFORMER page for Joe Travers. While some of the "about the performer" bios have been there for an extended period of time, many additions including about the performer bio pages were made more recently, about a week or so ago.. The bio pages are an interesting read. They are links from the The 10TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION: Green Umbrella: Zappa's 200 Motels page.

There are three Artists that do not have Bio pages. Outside of the following three artist all have about the performer bio pages.

John Garofalo, associate lighting designer
Alexis Pletcher, assistant scenic designer
Rebecca Guzzi, assistant costume designer

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Trendmonger wrote:
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Joe Travers' current role has also been updated,

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Not so sure what you mean by this. Has there been a recent update to Joe's Bio Page?


I was referring to the Gorn article: it previously said he was the ZPZ drummer; now he's the Vaultmeister.

As you say, errors occur.

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Joe Travers' current role has also been updated,

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Not so sure what you mean by this. Has there been a recent update to Joe's Bio Page?


I was referring to the Gorn article: it previously said he was the ZPZ drummer; now he's the Vaultmeister.

As you say, errors occur.

I should have realised that. While the Gorn article is quite as you say "illuminating", there are some things in the article that do not correlate with the MSO Media Alert Kit/Press Release. It seems as if Chad Gorn had a very interesting conversation with Gail Zappa. The mxdwn blog is filled with quite a number of things that open the pod bay doors of the mind... The monolith of thought.

It's funny how the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey was used in the film. It seems beyond a mere stage prop that was left behind on a Pinewood Studios set. The monolith is one of those things at this point we can only wonder if it will be included as a stage prop. I would not be surprised if it were not, but the concept of the monolith should have many people thinking about what FZ wrote into his orchestral score.... This is a Zappa fans Christmas tree of sorts. Now Christmas trees have been a long tradition of the Zappa household, but even if we are a short time from the festival of Zappadan, 200 Motels has the composers intent very much in the back of our minds. Regardless of any fans differences of what they expect, I think by now if one thing is clear, it is that the pod bay doors of the opus of 200 Motels is very much on everyone's mind. Lots of surprises are in store.

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The pope is unfortunately tied up elsewhere and will not be able to attend the proceedings.

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