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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:46 pm 
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We are the dreamers of the dreams. It can be anything you want it to be! Imagination is the key!


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The Beatles - Hey Jude

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sleeping in a jar wrote:
calvin2hikers wrote:

We are the dreamers of the dreams. It can be anything you want it to be! Imagination is the key!


A thousand thanks, oh wise and noble Cal.


I'm here to help.

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The Beatles - Hey Jude

In that case, you also need to add "Isn't It a Pity" - George Harrison.
The codas can be sung over each other, no problem.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:51 am 
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I must be the only one here who doesn't know what a coda is :cry:

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Coda (italian for "tail") is a distinct ending part for a musical piece.

One coda that I can think of now is:

"Riah Sahiltaahk" by Magma. After the band proper stops playing, there's some solo piano playing for the final minute or so, there's chords and melody to what later was used as a song called "Klaus Kombalad". This solo piano part could be considered as a tail or coda to the main composition. In Zappa's case, on the TTR version of "Brown Shoes Don't Make It", there's a part missing on "Absolutely Free" at the end, perhaps you can think of it as an added coda (it was definitely played in 1973 live version (I hope it's gonna be on Road Tapes 2) and maybe in the occasional 1969 versions too?).

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Coda (italian for "tail") is a distinct ending part for a musical piece

That is one meaning for it and about the worse meaning for it,
Musical piece meaning a song you will have look good and hard too find a song that don't have a ending.
People have obviously assumed yeah tail used in music must be the end bullshit they all end.
Search for "Coda Dictionary" in Google none of them agree and even some don't mention the ending of a song,though for the books I've seen they use Coda symbol after they used go to Coda after last verse because the verses are mostly wrote under each other on earlier pages.
going by mostly every Dictionary when not reading music though when it as something too do with music its more a turn around,like is this still the same song like a dramatic change,sort of though you gotta feeling in you waters it was the ending of a song that second,That's where the Coda starts and then there's the Outro.

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cleon wrote:
Coda (italian for "tail") is a distinct ending part for a musical piece

That is one meaning for it and about the worse meaning for it.


Stopped reading after that. :wink: :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:18 pm 
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cleon wrote:
Coda (italian for "tail") is a distinct ending part for a musical piece

That is one meaning for it and about the worse meaning for it.


Stopped reading after that. :wink: :mrgreen:

Yeah you started mixing Reprise for Coda :smoke:

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It came too a Conclusion now you stop :mrgreen: :|

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Dog Breath (In the Year of the Plague)

This song is actually given its title as a result of the Coda! The Single is just titled Dog Breath and does not include the Coda! :)

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Cleon, when he was growing up, obviously had bad experiences with either his father, school, some such or all of the above, because now he seems to think acting like an asshole is a pedagogically sound way to communicate ideas. He's basically right about the formal music school meaning of coda, but he's too busy slagging you off for you to actually want to listen.

The coda is not just an ending. You can end a piece with a simple cadence of two chords and may not feel like it's ended. The coda evolved over several centuries in the west as a concluding section which often included development of existing material or even introduced new material, largely to make one feel the piece had really ended. A lot of recorded modern music ends by fading out which isn't really what the term coda traditionally refers to. The aim of a coda is to make the piece feel like it's finished by the time the coda is finished.

A brilliant example of a coda in FZ's music is the outtro in Black Napkins. It's really not obvious how that piece would have ended without it. He clearly designed the coda so it could either end without a following piece or segue into something completely different. It sounds ended to me when I listen to the whole track on the Zoot Allures album in isolation. It's a coda in the full musicological sense. The piece Weasels Ripped my Flesh is a coda to the album, although I generally skip it, I don't always need the happy ending.

Beethoven was famous for his lengthy codas. His developments were often so elaborate that he then had trouble bringing matters to a conclusion, so a lengthy coda was often the only solution. During the twentieth century though, ideas of strict endings were broken down and evolved . Like movies without happy endings or whatever parallel you might think of.

In musicology, coda has specific meanings. In modern music, codas are often just outtros that don't really end the piece but just provide something that can eventually be faded out on a recording. The realm of Jazz provides many an elaborate coda.

Some thoughts that were triggered by various discussions on this forum

I realise this is a long post, but as a composer I've been thinking a lot about music theory lately in terms of what its value is to any composer. Anything that's now explained in theory is something that's already been done. It's an explanation after the fact. But that's not all there is to it. New music should not only deserve that label by completely avoiding anything that's been done before. Poets, prose writers, script writers film makers and so on have to use language, events and imagery that will be understood by their consumers. If I invented a completely new language and wrote a novel using it, no-one would be able to read it.

Stravinsky is a brilliant, timeless composer to me because even though I get why most of his music works, he didn't create it purely by following theory recipes. It's moulded with his "accent". His music has a mechanical skeleton but he's fleshing it out with his own way of speaking he's saying something compelling about the human condition.

That's what I try to do when I write music. I spent years studying music theory. I haven't abandoned it, because I want to be understood, but I broke free from it a long time ago.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:30 am 
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Your talking shit again you post saying what the meaning is after i stated it.And another thing i was my fathers favorite who only hit me once in his life for not going too school and when asked i told him too Fuck Off and funny he let me work for him instead of going too school for the last couple of years 1 Exam i did final year and came top in Maths.and who have i slagged Asshole nobody just some asshole got his thing wrong and said they didn't read what you said was correct info.

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there appears to be a pretty wide interpretation of the definition of coda here, is it a coda, reprise, outro, or intro to the next track ¿¿¿


my take on the tracks from this thread ...

baba o'riley -outro
maggie may -outro
hello, goodbye - coda ... the band takes a bow, then the coda kicks in
return of the giant hogweed -outro
marine 475 -outro
i have a dream - coda
the power to believe -coda to the album or another song
surf's up -outro or coda, this has enough of a key change to be a coda, but very marhinal on this one
mr blue sky -outro
revolution 9 -outro
coda to man & boy -coda to another song ... very cool track, btw
can't you hear me knocking -extended outro
friendly little finger - bringing in the sheaves coda, also doubles as intro to wonderful wino
money -outro
can't afford no shoes -outro
stratus - outro
that's the way -outro
oh well -outro
layla -coda
sir psycho sexy-coda
yellow snow suite, ycdtosa v1-coda
future/now -outro
stinkfoot -outro
lark's tongue in aspic pt2 -coda
hey jude -extended outro
riah sahiltaahk -coda ... cool track, btw

dog breath [in the year of the plague] -coda, maybe a reprise ¿ dog breath variations is a coda to dog breath, reinforced by the use of the coda to louie louie; another example of frank's coda doubling as an intro to the next track

raindrops keep falling on my head -coda ... lmao; the mothers, rkfomh: Image

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pink floyd eclipse [there is no dark side in the moon, really, as a matter of fact it's all dark]
also from pf; the footsteps/fly swat sequence at the end of grantchester meadows
one of my favs: the last 2 piano notes at the end of king crimson cat food

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 Post subject: Re: re: more codas!
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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
[color=#000000]there appears to be a pretty wide interpretation of the definition of coda here, is it a coda, reprise, outro, or intro to the next track ¿¿¿


my take on the tracks from this thread ...



The thread title is hereby amended.

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slime.oofytv.set wrote:
raindrops keep falling on my head -coda ... lmao;


Comic relief was indeed the partial intent.

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FZ - Andy (outro)

Beatles - Sgt. Pepper (reprise)

Bowie - Ashes To Ashes (coda)

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the last 2 bass guitar plunks on the ocean is the ultimate solution

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