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I would very much like to enforce my cd's collection of John Cage. Any advice?


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cage was a 'Nutcase' ..

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I would say forget cage and buy some Lonnie Liston Smith,cd's

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If you enjoy piano music, look for any of Cage's piano music (A Room, She Is Asleep) for standard or prepared piano.

Everything on Wergo is good.

I just picked up Cheap Imitation on Ampersand, it is excellent. I have the other, Empty Words, which you will enjoy if you enjoy the sound of John Cage's voice.

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John Cage Works

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what about Nick Cage?


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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
I would say forget cage and buy some Lonnie Liston Smith,cd's



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If you enjoy piano music, look for any of Cage's piano music (A Room, She Is Asleep) for standard or prepared piano.

Everything on Wergo is good.

I just picked up Cheap Imitation on Ampersand, it is excellent. I have the other, Empty Words, which you will enjoy if you enjoy the sound of John Cage's voice.



Actually I just bought the Wergo edition of "Works for piano and prepared piano. Vol II"

I can now listen to:
' Mysterious adventure
' TV Koen
'Daughters of the lonesome Isle
'Dream
'The perilous night (my favorite)
'Nocturne
'Three dances



I also bought some time ago "Litany for a whale" but I am not a huge fan. i do like Cage's voice.

I'll try the ones you said


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Thank you for the link
but don't you have an opinion? :lol:


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At least put him on the back burner, are you familiar with Lonnie Smith?, after Lonnie try some Mccoy Tyner.

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And after that Eric Clapton.....

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He's mentioned before Montana on YCDTOSA Vol. 2.

My knowledge has now been exhausted.

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Hey Mili, hows it goin?

This is all the John Cage I currently own:

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I'd recommend both of them. They've been an excellent intro to Cage for me. The Seasons is a combination of orchestral pieces and piano pieces, while Daughters is all various forms of piano (if memory serves). By various forms I mean prepared, toy, bowed, etc. But at any rate, the pianist Margaret Leng Tan knew Cage personally and played this stuff for him for more than a decade.

Good to see ya again!

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hi mili, what's up these days...escape from london ¿

check out the j.cage/r.kirk collaboration[s], stride turned me on to that stellar combo a few years ago

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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
At least put him on the back burner, are you familiar with Lonnie Smith?, after Lonnie try some Mccoy Tyner.


I don't know anything about those guys. I'll make everything to change that, and I'll get back to you .


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Koool I think you will really like them.

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And, if we're also randomly suggesting pianists, may I recommend Andrew Hill and Muhal Richard Abrams. For a more current cat, dig Matthew Shipp.

Also check out Cage's percussion work, First, Second, Third Construction, and others.

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Well I heard about something that happened to a John Cage visit to Brazil that impressed me:

He went to conduct his Imaginary Landscape No. 4, an aleatoric piece of music by John Cage for 24 performers at 12 radios, where the musicians follow the score, tuning into different stations, a fact alluded on the seminal The Adventures of Greggary Peccary, from a well known composer around here. The "problem" was that at the exact moment of the concert, the Brazilian radios were playing the Hora do Brasil, a one hour segment where all stations orwellianly play the official state radio announcements, so when the performers chaged station the same babbling was going on on every station!

It was said that he was sort of disappointed, but I guess you can't get more random than that...

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John Cage was the teacher of one of my teachers. My teacher told me about the time Cage said he was always listening.
"Surely that can't be true!"
"Oh absolutely, I'm always listening!"
"But how can you listen continuously?"
"Well... Perhaps not when I'm on the phone with someone..."

Anyway, if you have all of John Cage's piano music, that's pretty much all you really "need", his aleatoric music is influential but in those cases it's the idea that counts more than the music itself.

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BBP wrote:

Anyway, if you have all of John Cage's piano music, that's pretty much all you really "need", his aleatoric music is influential but in those cases it's the idea that counts more than the music itself.


uuuuh? If you are only interested in piano, I guess.

always a safe bet, tho' not the best recorded, is the 3cd "25 year retrospective concert of the music of JC." Recorded 1958. People seem to think he got rolling in the 50s but obviously not.


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I mean from a musicological point of view, of course. His piano music and 4'33'' are his most influential works.

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BBP wrote:
I mean from a musicological point of view, of course. His piano music and 4'33'' are his most influential works.



ah, I got ya now. And Cage is a rare breed of composer [I should add: successful] wherein what he wrote or spoke is even more influential than the music itself.


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My favourite pieces by John Cage are Sonatas and Interludes for prepared piano.
I first bought the Naxos edition with Boris Berman. This is the version that I got to know.
I then bought a 3-cd Cage set that contained the complete music for prepared piano. This is on Brilliant Classics featuring Giancarlo Simonacci. A very different slant, more raw and spiky. Different tempos and a very different sounding prepared piano. I guess it's very open to the interpretation of the performer?
Finally, I bought an edition on Decca featuring John Tilbury. Having got accustomed to the previous 2 versions that I mentioned this edition didn't leap out at me at all and after reading a review by somebody on Amazon I now want to hear the performance by Ajemian from the 1950's.....!
I need to listen to the Tilbury edition again actually - makes mental note.

My advice would be to start with the Naxos edition of Sonatas and Interludes. Don't be put off by Naxos being a budget label.

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She is known for performing Cage's toy piano pieces (grand piano and prepared piano too).

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