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We paid the insurance company about 7000.00 immediately ( all we had ) and have been paying roughly 50.00 a month since then figuring they could never repo the valve and as long as we were paying something , we were ok.


After about 2004 no hospital would have done that surgery uncovered without a co signer or a 50% cash deposit (unless one uses the emergancy room at a non profit or goverment hospital), no more of that...the real name of Obama Care is The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), everyone seems to leave off the most important part Patient Protection... :smoke:


I'm truly thankful that your wife is fine Pedro, I say that from the heart as I don't know what I would do if I had lost mine and I feel for any man that loses a wife and especially one who has been together for long periods of time, I don't think I would know how to live with out mine...I suspect your in the same boat... 8)


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I'm truly thankful that your wife is fine Pedro, I say that from the heart as I don't know what I would do if I had lost mine and I feel for any man that loses a wife and especially one who has been together for long periods of time, I don't think I would know how to live with out mine...I suspect your in the same boat... 8)


Plook , you are right as usual.

My seemly unlimited supply of good vibes continue to be sent to your wife and you .

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DOUCHE!


Yet another ad hominem.

I've noticed that the left are very good at that, especially in this thread...



I am just making fun of your chosen word to stress exclamation. Using it makes you look like an ass.
If it was used in agreement with something I said my reaction would be the same.
It implies that you are the Master and holding all the chits.
You are not.


You're not making fun of it at all. You've got your panties in a bind, since you can't win an argument to save your life and you're pissed off because of it. So, you follow me around from thread to thread throwing ad hominems at me, because that's ALL you can do.

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Attempting to provide health care coverage for as many Americans as possible is an "evil policy?"

Holy crap.


My point is that it's by FORCE not by CHOICE. Now, I don't know what planet you come from...but most sane people who live on this planet like options and choice. It's called LIBERTY. You may have heard of it? But then again, you're so used to your own Government giving you the worst ream job possible that supporting Semi-Fraudulent-Direct-From-Hollywood dictators like your President is second nature.


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

The ACA is not really providing health care coverage for as many Americans as possible. Nor is it providing QUALITY health care coverage for as many Americans as possible. In most cases, the only way health care can be provided optimally is through mostly free market systems which primarily offer privatized care. That way, as long as there is enough competition allowed in the marketplace, the quality of said care will be optimized because it HAS to in order for each health care/insurance provider to benefit, especially financially. And as a result, consumer prices will lower and, in most cases, will wind up being cheaper than the socialized care that ultimately destroys competition, and almost always & exclusively creates monopolized situations. Not to mention, induces price-fixing for the health care/insurance companies, since under said socialized systems, the select few that are allowed to reign supreme are allowed to because of Corporatism's greasing of Government by their lobbyists - which is impossible when mostly free market systems are established...

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I'm largely covered by insurance, except for 800 euros own risk. Includes dental care, physical therapy and pretty much everything necessary. Had to pay 800 to the insurance company when I broke my ankle (which covered the cost of the ambulance, the hospital costs some 700 per day) and about 300 for physical therapy, and I got 8000 from the company insurance for damage pay. To hear that Pedro has to pay half a ton even though he's insured, and how he seems pretty much happy, or at least OK by it... I'm flabbergasted. Can't you see it's bizarre??

Happy news: A saola has been spotted and captured on camera for the first time in 10 years, it was feared the species was extinct.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:37 am 
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One big problem with the USA is we are a nation of hypochondriacs. And fat pigs that eat garbage. And want to live forever. And think that life should be like Disneyland 24/7.


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We are all hypochondriacs here too. There was talk on cutting GP visits from the standard insurance package because 60% of people visiting the GP have nothing wrong with them whatsoever.

Apologies to our friends in Alberta, Canada for having caught on our measles epidemic.

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One thing I've noticed is that US citizens seem an awful lot more concerned about health care than Europeans. This could mean one of two things for the Europeans.
Either
a) Their health systems mainly work and are financed fairly and properly so they don't really bother thinking about them very much.
Or
b) They have been hopelessly deceived by Keynesian bandits who have ripped them off for every penny and whose economically detrimental anti-capitalist creed will bring down European society as we know it and lead to a new Dark Age in which mass-unemployment will be the least of our worries.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:46 pm 
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Hahahaha!

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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Hahahaha!



+1... :mrgreen:


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Disco Boy wrote:
Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Attempting to provide health care coverage for as many Americans as possible is an "evil policy?"

Holy crap.


My point is that it's by FORCE not by CHOICE. Now, I don't know what planet you come from...but most sane people who live on this planet like options and choice. It's called LIBERTY. You may have heard of it? But then again, you're so used to your own Government giving you the worst ream job possible that supporting Semi-Fraudulent-Direct-From-Hollywood dictators like your President is second nature.


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

The ACA is not really providing health care coverage for as many Americans as possible. Nor is it providing QUALITY health care coverage for as many Americans as possible. In most cases, the only way health care can be provided optimally is through mostly free market systems which primarily offer privatized care. That way, as long as there is enough competition allowed in the marketplace, the quality of said care will be optimized because it HAS to in order for each health care/insurance provider to benefit, especially financially. And as a result, consumer prices will lower and, in most cases, will wind up being cheaper than the socialized care that ultimately destroys competition, and almost always & exclusively creates monopolized situations. Not to mention, induces price-fixing for the health care/insurance companies, since under said socialized systems, the select few that are allowed to reign supreme are allowed to because of Corporatism's greasing of Government by their lobbyists - which is impossible when mostly free market systems are established...


Good god DB, I used to think you were one of the coolest guys on the forum. However did it happen that you're now such a blowhard? Bring back Josh please.

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BBP wrote:
To hear that Pedro has to pay half a ton even though he's insured, and how he seems pretty much happy, or at least OK by it... I'm flabbergasted. Can't you see it's bizarre??


BPP , I am neither happy , nor unhappy about it. I view it as a part of life. There will always be winners and losers.There will always be rich and poor.

I win a few , I lose a few.
I've been stone broke and also had times of economic stabilization.

That outlook doesn't work for everybody but it works for me.

I'm often reminded of something that FZ said.

" If you constantly look for good things to happen , you're going to be very disappointed. BUT , if you look for ok things and something good happens , it's always a bonus. "

I seem to get bonuses almost every day . :D


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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Disco Boy wrote:
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Attempting to provide health care coverage for as many Americans as possible is an "evil policy?"

Holy crap.


My point is that it's by FORCE not by CHOICE. Now, I don't know what planet you come from...but most sane people who live on this planet like options and choice. It's called LIBERTY. You may have heard of it? But then again, you're so used to your own Government giving you the worst ream job possible that supporting Semi-Fraudulent-Direct-From-Hollywood dictators like your President is second nature.


ONE. MORE. TIME. FOR. THE. WORLD.:

The ACA is not really providing health care coverage for as many Americans as possible. Nor is it providing QUALITY health care coverage for as many Americans as possible. In most cases, the only way health care can be provided optimally is through mostly free market systems which primarily offer privatized care. That way, as long as there is enough competition allowed in the marketplace, the quality of said care will be optimized because it HAS to in order for each health care/insurance provider to benefit, especially financially. And as a result, consumer prices will lower and, in most cases, will wind up being cheaper than the socialized care that ultimately destroys competition, and almost always & exclusively creates monopolized situations. Not to mention, induces price-fixing for the health care/insurance companies, since under said socialized systems, the select few that are allowed to reign supreme are allowed to because of Corporatism's greasing of Government by their lobbyists - which is impossible when mostly free market systems are established...


Good god DB, I used to think you were one of the coolest guys on the forum. However did it happen that you're now such a blowhard? Bring back Josh please.


Yet another ad hominem without ANYTHING of substance to back up your points.

Dude, you REALLY need to hit the economic textbooks (preferably not Keynesianism) and fast. I know you lefties love to believe that money grows on trees and everything should be affordable and paid for by Big Brother, creating the illusion that it's all free, without any regard for how much it's costing us, nor how much economic calamity and debt there is getting in the way. But that's not the reality of life. Your country (as well as many others, including mine) is about to circle the drain. Much of Europe, especially southern European countries like Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Portugal (which are currently at Great Depression era levels of unemployment) etc., have already. And it's NO surprise that socialists run the bulk of these countries...

Here's a reminder, once again, of a clip of Ron Paul on April 24, 2002, accurately predicting several world events, including the Housing Bubble Crisis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

It's time to wake up...

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Your country (as well as many others, including mine) is about to circle the drain. Much of Europe, especially southern European countries like Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Portugal (which are currently at Great Depression era levels of unemployment) etc., have already. And it's NO surprise that socialists run the bulk of these countries...



Spain: main governing party: People's Party (Conservative)
Greece: main governing party: New Democracy (Conservative)
Cyprus: main governing party: Democratic Rally (Conservative)
Portugal: main governing party: Social Democrats

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Spain:

The PP is a member of the center-right European People's Party (EPP) The PP is also a member of the Centrist Democrat International and the International Democrat Union.

Greece:

New Democracy is the main centre-right political party.


And the Democratic Rally in Cyprus is also centre-right.


You see, this is why I put a certain manipulative shithead on ignore… :roll:

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Maybe I'm dumb, but aren't you just confirming what Caputh already said?


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Disco Boy wrote:
Spain:

The PP is a member of the center-right European People's Party (EPP) The PP is also a member of the Centrist Democrat International and the International Democrat Union.

Greece:

New Democracy is the main centre-right political party.


And the Democratic Rally in Cyprus is also centre-right.


You see, this is why I put a certain manipulative shithead on ignore… :roll:


I was actually using the term Conservative in the English sense of the word as in the "Conservative Party" of Great Britain, which, interestingly enough also describes itself as "Centre Right" and is in the same faction of the European Parliament in which the "Centre Right" parties tend to vote. Big "C", rather than small "C". DB also seems unaware of the fact that "Socialist" is not generally accepted as a synonym for "Centre Right".
Yes, what a manipulative shithead, I am. Funnily enough, I always thought putting somebody on "ignore" meant not reading their posts or replying to them, but once again DB and my opinion obviously differ.

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Caputh wrote:
I was actually using the term Conservative in the English sense of the word as in the "Conservative Party" of Great Britain, which, interestingly enough also describes itself as "Centre Right" and is in the same faction of the European Parliament in which the "Centre Right" parties tend to vote. Big "C", rather than small "C". DB also seems unaware of the fact that "Socialist" is not generally accepted as a synonym for "Centre Right".


You'd think that living in a Commonwealth country, he would have understood this...but no.


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you wd think it would sink in that being a blowhard doesn't win one respect.


blow·hard
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blus·ter
>>talk in a loud, aggressive, or indignant way with little effect.

boast
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douche
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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Bring back Josh please.


hmmm, just noticed this comment.

josh
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Uncle Bernie wrote:

You'd think that living in a Commonwealth country, he would have understood this...but no.


Oh, I think he probably understands it - he just thinks that by writing the word Centre, people who were are not particularly well informed about European politics will perhaps think that this is a European term for "socialist" or think that the words "democrat"/"democracy" might mean that they are the same as the Democrats in the US.
As wikipedia points out:
'The International Democrat Union, an alliance of centre-right political parties, including the British Conservative Party, the Republican Party of the United States, the Liberal Party of Australia, Christian democratic parties, amongst others across the world, is committed to the principles that "democratic societies provide individuals throughout the world with the best conditions for political liberty, personal freedom, equality of opportunity and economic development under the rule of law..."'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... crat_Union

The International Democrat Union describes itself as:
"...a working association of over 80 Conservative, Christian Democrat and like-minded political parties of the centre and centre right."
http://www.idu.org/history.aspx

The Centrist Democrat International is described as "being closer to the political centre and more communitarian than the IDU." The Democrats "maintain links" with the Centrist Democrat International but are not members. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrist_D ... ernational) None of the parties in the Centrist Democrat International are socialists - nearly all of them are Christian Democrat Parties, such as the CDU in Germany who are generally perceived within that country as being a Conservative party.


In case anyone didn't know, the parties to the right of these "centre right"/"Conservative" parties are generally considered to be extremely right wing indeed, i.e. they tend to propagate racist/homophobic/nationalist agendas (at least in Europe). In the case of the Austrian Liberal Party I would argue that they go in that direction as well.

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Indeed. The Dutch right-wing party VVD are the ones who made sure that whole house buying problematic got so out of hand, they're the ones who privatised a lot of companies like mail, gas, phone, electricity, water, public transport etc, that got the state a bit of cash but it means prices of those services went up up up and service went down down down. Also, to get these things done, they had to trade: one party agrees to vote in favour of something they're against to get something better back. On one hand, this is what made gay marriage possible. Unfortunately it also made legalized soft drugs with matching problems possible (drug runners, illegal electricity tap, ensuing housing issues, increase in organized crime etc), legalized prostitution with matching trouble (slavery), and later when they had to team up with Christian parties instead of the left-wings, banned the birth control pill and banned the early embryo check for people with nasty hereditary diseases.

I wish people in charge would start governing with their heads.

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A lot of people voted for PvdA, Dutch Labour, because they're opposed to the purchase of the Joint Strike Fighter. They were con and did their best to stop it for long.
Whatever happened, I don't know yet, but a couple of days ago they voted in FAVOUR of buying these planes, during a recession no less.

You vote, you get screwed. You don't vote, you get screwed. I hate politics.

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As an addendum to BBP's enlightening post - this is actually breaking news. Nazis in Europe can rejoice!

"Dutch Eurosceptic Wilders and France's Le Pen unite

The Eurosceptic Dutch politician Geert Wilders and French National Front (FN) leader Marine Le Pen have launched what they call an "historic" alliance for next year's European elections.

Mr Wilders said they had agreed on the need to repatriate from Brussels the power to control their countries' borders and economies.

They held strategy talks in The Hague.

Both leaders say Europe's political elite has been too tolerant of Islam and both want to curb immigration.

Ms Le Pen, a Euro MP, visited the Dutch parliament with Mr Wilders. His party lost almost half of its seats in the September 2012 Dutch election, but it is doing well now in opinion polls.

Eurosceptics are widely expected to make significant gains in the European elections in May, as debt-laden EU countries struggle to revive their anaemic economies.

"The time of patriotic movements being divided is over," said Ms Le Pen, calling it "an historic day".

"Today is the start of the liberation of Europe from the monster of Brussels," said Mr Wilders, who heads the Freedom Party (PVV).

Fragmented right
Historically, nationalists and other anti-immigration parties have been fragmented in Europe. They tend to campaign on national issues, rejecting EU integration and any further weakening of national sovereignty.

Mr Wilders acknowledged that the UK Independence Party (UKIP), led by Nigel Farage, was not yet willing to join the new alliance.

"I understand that he [Mr Farage] is not too eager today to work with my party, but let me tell you, I hope after next year's elections he will be able to join in our initiative," Mr Wilders said.

The PVV and FN currently sit among independent MEPs in the European Parliament. They are not in UKIP's group.

To form a new officially recognised bloc they would need a minimum of 25 MEPs from at least seven EU member states.

Correspondents say the two parties could team up with groups such as Austria's Freedom Party (FPOe), [The Austrian Liberals] Italy's Northern League, Vlaams Belang in Belgium, the Sweden Democrats or the Danish People's Party.

Recognition as an official political group in the European Parliament gives group members EU subsidies, offices, assistants and seats on parliamentary committees."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24924372

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obama is on tv lying about what he said, and digging a deeper hole, this clown makes nixon look like a saint, why the hell do so many think this political hack is any where near sincere?

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