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 Post subject: Joes Garage
PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:42 pm 
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Stating the obvious maybe, Joes Garage I is a giddy delight, and II and III are mainly difficult listening IMO. Did something happen between recording I and II/III that I don't know about?
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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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Both recorded at the same time.


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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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Both recorded at the same time.

OK, so is there a reason why I is (IMO) so different / better quality than II/III?
Also, the 'story' seems to have a beginning / middle / end. Were they all done on the hoof and assembled to have a semblance of a story, or was it fully conceptualised initially?
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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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It's a hard one to get my head around. When I think of Joe's Garage the first couple of songs pop into my head, all classics up to LHMMMU which I believe is the end of ACT I but whenever I listen to the album in full the rest of it stands out much more to me. I feel the musicianship and overall structure just really works. If we're talking of Discs I prefer disc 2. Keep it greasy, outside now, packard goose and watermelon are all epic, breathtaking pieces of work.

Fantastic album.

But yeah it does seem like 2 separate albums with the same story, maybe the long solo type songs should have been spread in between the 'fun'.

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Xenochrony?

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I really like LHMMMU - I think the guitar work on syborg is a better but I like it less. They are pretty close together in his 'reggae' repertoire though.
xenochrony - I'll have to google it.
OK - dubbing...
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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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I used to think Sy Borg was boring but now I really like it. Lucille is OK but boring. You should listen to the original by Jeff Simmons which Frank Produced (as La Marr Bruister I believe).

I think the best part of ACT I is the slammin' harmonica on Crew Slut. On the bus is amazing too. Check out Occam's Razor.

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I think the best part of ACT I is the slammin' harmonica on Crew Slut.
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Yes, I was thinking that earlier oddly enough.
Occams razor - I know of that from the simpsons - something like the answer is generally the most obvious of choices, I think.
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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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That is all very well and good, sir but I was talking about this beast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp93bcp4HCM

It's the original, unedited On The Bus solo from '78/'79.

Frank did this lots. He would record his live solos and insert them into songs. All solos but WMIEH is done this way.

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OK, I'm listening to FZs occams razor now - thank you :wink:
I am still an ignoramus relatively speaking.
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deuce wrote:
Also, the 'story' seems to have a beginning / middle / end. Were they all done on the hoof and assembled to have a semblance of a story, or was it fully conceptualised initially?


FZ said he came up with the plot over a weekend after they started recording. Acts II/III just ended up having several long, slow tracks.


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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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deuce wrote:
Stating the obvious maybe, Joes Garage I is a giddy delight, and II and III are mainly difficult listening IMO. Did something happen between recording I and II/III that I don't know about?


To me it's the other way around. Act I is kinda pedestrian for Zappa, but II/III is much deeper, full of long, juicy jams, funnier comedy bits, and mind-bending guitar.


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Shrewnews wrote:
deuce wrote:
Stating the obvious maybe, Joes Garage I is a giddy delight, and II and III are mainly difficult listening IMO. Did something happen between recording I and II/III that I don't know about?


To me it's the other way around. Act I is kinda pedestrian for Zappa, but II/III is much deeper, full of long, juicy jams, funnier comedy bits, and mind-bending guitar.
It is more Innocent Act 1 than 2/3 Hench the name and the story(Plot)

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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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NuclearProstate wrote:
That is all very well and good, sir but I was talking about this beast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp93bcp4HCM

It's the original, unedited On The Bus solo from '78/'79.

Frank did this lots. He would record his live solos and insert them into songs. All solos but WMIEH is done this way.

Funny how it is mentioned on the Xenochrony tread that there is a Sitar on Guitar(album) and there is on Joe's Garage and nobody has picked up on it it ain't on the Sleeve but i bet my Balls on it.
That live solo :roll: listen up till 4.15min then listen too JG at 2.40min On The Bus,there it is and it is used much more on the Album

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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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Disk one is like a Turkish Massage parlour :mrgreen:
Going in for disk too :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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This was my introduction to Zappa at the age of 13. I would never proclaim it to be his best album, but it is one of my favorites. I still remember making the 100 mile trip to Nashville to pick each one up. My good friend at the time had an older brother who was 16. He had a 1974 AMC Javelin. Awesome car, and some good times.

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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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Yeah not his best album or even best album of the late 70's but it is so so memorable. I don't know. I go through phases of listening to it over and over and then ignoring it for a long time. I prefer disc 2. Frank said he thought it was a much better album than SY but I disagree haha.

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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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Some might say Joe's Garage is the last truly, great album FZ released. When you look at the timeline of releases, I can sort of see how someone might draw that conclusion. It's clearly the end of the 70's era.


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Its the end of the 70's era for sure... it being the end of the 70's but anyone who says this is the last truly great zappa album is a fucking moron:

YAWYI
MAJNH
BBYNHIL
Broadway the Hard Way
Yellow Shark
CP III (his best album, IMO)
Jazz from Hell

and the best 80's zappa album you've never heard in your life Chalkpie (this would have been the BIG ONE from the 80's if he hadn't have split it into the two (threeish) most mediocre albums in his catalog, omitting great songs and adding horseshit like Valley Girl and Luigi)

seriously though:
1. Drowning Witch
2. Envelopes
3. Teen-Age Prostitute
4. The Dangerous Kitchen
5. Chalk Pie
6. We're Turning Again
7. Alien Orifice
8. The Jazz Discharge Party Hats
9. "The Torture Never Stops" guitar solo (title unknown)
10. What's New in Baltimore?
11. Moggio
12. "The Black Page #2" guitar solo (title unknown)
13. Clownz on Velvet
14. Frogs with Dirty Little Lips

Compare that to:
1.No Not Now 5:50
2.Valley Girl (FZ/Moon Zappa) 4:50
3.I Come From Nowhere 6:09
4.Drowning Witch 12:03
5.Envelopes 2:45
6.Teen-age Prostitute 2:41

and

1.Cocaine Decisions 3:54
2.SEX 3:43
3.Tink Walks Amok 3:38
4.The Radio Is Broken 5:51
5.We Are Not Alone 3:18
6.The Dangerous Kitchen 2:51
7.The Man From Utopia Meets Mary Lou (Woods/Woods/Jessie) 3:22
8.Stick Together 3:13
9.The Jazz Discharge Party Hats 4:28
10.Luigi & The Wise Guys 3:24
11.Mōggio 2:36

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There are plenty of people here who think Zappa's best work is all prior to 1980. I disagree with them, but wouldn't call them morons.

I'm not the biggest fan of the original Mothers, although I really love Uncle Meat. And yes, I do have them all, except I'm currently missing Cruising. Uncle Meat led up to one of my favorite trios of his. Hot Rats, Burnt Weeny, and Weasels.

That might make me a moron to some people.


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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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NuclearProstate wrote:
I used to think Sy Borg was boring but now I really like it. Lucille is OK but boring.

You're boring...

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MentalTossFlycoon wrote:
NuclearProstate wrote:
I used to think Sy Borg was boring but now I really like it. Lucille is OK but boring.

You're boring...


Used to think... ;)

As for the 80's. I like it, listening to it more and more, check out the 80's zappa thread. Also, Valley girl is OK but Luigi is amazing, I love that song.

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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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I understand having favorite eras (mine is anything with Arthur and Vinnie) but saying he had no great albums after 79 does make you a moron imbecile idiot douche.

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I'm going through a phase where the stuff I listen is the '72 band and the '81/'82 band mostly.

Though I did listen to Hammersmith last night and it was simply the most amazing thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Joes Garage
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My favorite eras are WOIIFTM and ZINY. That's all, that's it.

Actually, I think Joe's Garage is one of his best. And I like all eras. Except anything synclavier.

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