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 Post subject: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:15 am 
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Thinking about grabbing the vinyl of this. It's on amazon for £27. Is this album worth getting? Or should I still get the original albums that I am still missing.

Gonna listen to it on Spotify first, have listened to Sleazette a few times before, loved it. What are your thoughts on it?

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:30 am 
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I enjoy it a lot. It's a great late-night album, and is a good companion to many 60s Mothers albums. Disc 1 is better than disc 2, but there's a lot of jams and humorous moments.

It WAS intended for release in 1972, so it wouldn't be a bad purchase if you're looking to stay away from albums put together by the ZFT.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:22 pm 
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This is not far from Weasels and Burnt (picture on the wall of the cover is not casual...)
For me it was a very good purchase. But it depends which albums you are missing...
If you already have all YCDTOSA, Jazz Noise, Best Band and Leather buy it, otherwise complete the fundamentals first.


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:27 pm 
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I'll get some of the more crucial stuff first. From what I have heard it sounds great. I love BWS so it is my type of thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:44 pm 
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Uncle Meat, Hot Rats, Burnt Weeny, Weasels, and Chunga's Revenge are 5 of my favorite Zappa albums. I think this falls right in with those albums well. From the posts I've seen of what you like, I think you would enjoy it.


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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It's a pity this wasn't restricted to Early Mothers stuff. It could do without the Carnegie Hall thing at least. If he was originally putting together a ten album collection of their material, surely after Weasels and Burnt Weeny there would have been enough to do at least one whole album. I was originally excited about this album but it wore off pretty quick, I'm now really only interested in less than half of it. It's a bit like wiping up after after a spill in the kitchen, the clean spot highlights the murk of the rest of the floor.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:56 pm 
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polydigm wrote:
It's a pity this wasn't restricted to Early Mothers stuff. It could do without the Carnegie Hall thing at least. If he was originally putting together a ten album collection of their material, surely after Weasels and Burnt Weeny there would have been enough to do at least one whole album. I was originally excited about this album but it wore off pretty quick, I'm now really only interested in less than half of it. It's a bit like wiping up after after a spill in the kitchen, the clean spot highlights the murk of the rest of the floor.


I have to say I'm confused about what your true opinion really is? Here you are saying it's a pity that Finer Moments is not restricted to early Mothers stuff.

In the thread about Frank's serious work, you made this comment about the original Mothers.

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So, for example, as much as I am very impressed with the expression of the early Mothers, their inability to perform Frank's compositions accurately is often painful. I've gotten used to the official early mothers albums and can listen to them but Road Tapes #1, while very interesting in a documentary sense, is seriously painful in general.


I somewhat agree with one of these opinions, but I don't know if it's the real one?


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:46 pm 
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Mr Philostopher, I did not say always painful to listen to. I like the Uncle Meat album, the Burnt Weeny Sandwich album et al. There's a certain unique hilarity with the early Mothers that I'm fond of. Zappa was at times able to get some good performances from them but it was a constant struggle. A lot of their unedited live stuff was hard to listen to. I'm personally very glad he eventually gave that struggle away although he could have been less of an arsehole about it.

I could go a lot deeper in this discussion and mention that there was a period in my life a long time ago when the mother people thing was important to me and nothing that they did at the time would sound painful to me. I grew out of it. Just like I grew out of the Seekers when I was half that age.

I've hoped for a long time that there was more Weeny/Weasels quality material left in the vault - most probably in vain - I momentarily thought at one point that Finer Moments was going to be that stuff. There's no contradiction in what I'm saying. If you open your parachute you won't crash and burn.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Thanks for clarifying. You most certainly did not say ALWAYS painful to listen to. You could have left out the last sentence though. Not one sentence in my original post contained an insult to you. I merely asked you a question. I know you're much smarter than I am, but I am intelligent enough to discuss things without insults.


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Your previous post does sound like a bit of a dig in the way you use the world real about my opinion. Will the real polydigm please step forward. I thought my comment about the original mothers was pretty clear. The last sentence of my previous post hardly qualifies as an insult compared to what generally passes for insults in this place. I was just playing around with Zappa's simile between an open parachute and an open mind. I take it back.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:05 am 
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I'll put it back on the burner. I need to listen to it a few more times. I have read numerous comments about people saying disc 1 is better than disc 2.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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I'll put it back on the burner. I need to listen to it a few more times. I have read numerous comments about people saying disc 1 is better than disc 2.


Overall I think that Disc 1 is better than 2 but I find Enigma Pts 1 - 5 indispensible and I so loved the percussion on BWS ande to a lesser extent UM that I am a sucker for any of it. I want a 20-disc set of percussion outtakes 8)

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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polydigm wrote:
Your previous post does sound like a bit of a dig in the way you use the world real about my opinion. Will the real polydigm please step forward. I thought my comment about the original mothers was pretty clear. The last sentence of my previous post hardly qualifies as an insult compared to what generally passes for insults in this place. I was just playing around with Zappa's simile between an open parachute and an open mind. I take it back.


My original post does not sound like anything. If you are trying to hear sound in written words, that could be the problem. By the way, that was a dig. :wink:

Regardless of how clear you thought your comment was, I was confused and asked for elaboration. I even thanked you, and admitted I was wrong when you did clarify. I was trying to see if we share the same opinion of the original Mothers. I will never ask you to elaborate in the future. Sorry.

I'm well aware of what goes for insults around here. I'm still trying to read through 120 pages of insults to try to get information about the 2012 remasters. I'm also not the one who was on another thread telling people to remove a broomstick out of their arse because they didn't agree with my opinion of a certain recording. But, I suppose I read that wrong too? :roll:

Sorry to fuck up your thread NP. Keep Finer Moments on your to get soon list. I think you'll enjoy it.


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Look, insults are not part of my stock in trade. I'm not asking them to remove a broomstick from up their arse because they don't agree with me. Sometimes I just get tired of the endless detailed nitpicking that goes on in this place, that passes for serious analysis, and let one loose. I just find it hard to imagine listening to GP&OP and not feeling something significant. It was not deep analysis at all or a serious argument on my behalf.

It really sounds to me like they're trying too hard not to like it.

If I was having a serious argument I would leave insults out of it altogether. In fact if I wanted a serious argument I would go elsewhere - I learnt not to bother here some time ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Understood. Anyone who is afraid of insults should not bother here. No hard feelings. I do respect your opinions on Zappa. Have a good day sir. By the way, that was genuine. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Harmony. Have a Good New Year, and Finer Moments is a good complement to BWS.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Such love, let this be the case in the new year. I will get it, it seems interesting. Just purchased 5 zappa albums in the last couple of days so I'll give it a miss for now. I do like the art on it. I know some people here really don't agree.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Understood. Anyone who is afraid of insults should not bother here. No hard feelings. I do respect your opinions on Zappa. Have a good day sir. By the way, that was genuine.
There are plenty of people here that I do take seriously and that I know I can have reasonable conversations with but they get hijacked by trolls. The problem with places like this that have only minimal moderation is that it only takes a very small number of jerkoffs to make it unpleasant. Some people here bang on about freedom of speech as if it's cut and dried, but the problem with open slather is that the dickheads end up dominating. I go to other forums about specific topics that have significant moderation, which I enjoy very much. The problem with trying to please everybody is that very few people end up being satisfied.

Look at the thread started by Arkay about FZ and large format compositions. I thought that was interesting but that DB arsehole jumps in blasts out that it's completely pointless. I've got him on ignore but other people quote him and get sucked into his bullshit. He's a shit stirrer and I wouldn't choose to socialise with someone like that but he's kind of forced upon you here.

I'm not including you on the small list of pains in the arse here, you haven't really upset me and I haven't known you long enough to decide. Welcome to the forum, no hard feelings on my part either.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Harmony. Have a Good New Year, and Finer Moments is a good complement to BWS.


Zappy New Year to you as well, and I think Finer Moments is a nice compliment to Weeny/Weasels. Some of the songs could have fit on either of those albums.

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I do like the art on it. I know some people here really don't agree.


I like the art too, but I have seen some comments in the other direction.


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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Look at the thread started by Arkay about FZ and large format compositions. I thought that was interesting but that DB arsehole jumps in blasts out that it's completely pointless. I've got him on ignore but other people quote him and get sucked into his bullshit. He's a shit stirrer and I wouldn't choose to socialise with someone like that but he's kind of forced upon you here.


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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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I don't see why there is all this indecision... fuckin Finer Moments is great. Buy the bastard!

Happy New Year too!

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NuclearProstate wrote:
Or should I still get the original albums that I am still missing.


That depends on what albums you've got missing

Chuck up a list and we'll tell you.

Whilst we're on the subject of posthumous albums- these are essential:

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 Post subject: Re: finer moments
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still thinking if I should get this one or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Finer moments.
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I really think this one is a good one. It was put together by FZ and seems reflective of his preferences before he went on to his comedy phase with Flo and Eddie. I really should listen to Imaginary Diseases again a couple times. Other than Jim Gordon on drums and it being a recording of a lineup that is underrepresented I found it unremarkable, even sort of dull.

Finer Moments has been spun ten or twelve times.

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