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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:57 am 
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from: http://afka.net/Articles/1972-11_Rock.htm

"You wouldn't feel able to get to them sufficiently closely with just records?"

"Not really, because I've got so much stuff all ready to release now that I can't put out because you've got to wait three or four months between albums because the company who's distributing your stuff say they don't get a chance to recoup their money if you do it in less.

"In fact we just had a jam session all night, I guess about a month ago. Jean-Luc Ponty happened to be in town and so did George Duke and a number of other west coast jazz men, so we had a jam session in the mix room upstairs in a recording studio in Los Angeles. It was unusual because the only thing that was being picked up by a microphone was the drums and everything else was being plugged directly into the board through transducers.

"So consequently everyone except the drummer was standing around the console and they could hear themselves perfectly at high volume in quad – no charts, and nobody even said we'll play this or that, we just turned the tape recorder on and started cranking away.

"We recorded all different combinations of instruments from seven in the evening to seven in the morning; and I can't release it because I already have another album in the can that's set for release in three week's time in the States, and then we're doing some live recording over here and I won't be able to put that out until ... And whenever you put an album out people assume that I'm totally committed to that at the time, that that's my new direction or something.


Makes it sound like there is a mixed and ready jam session album, unless bits and pieces of this have found themselves elsewhere?

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WOW!! I had never seen that article before. Sounds like that jam session was fucking killer!! Email sent to the Vaultmeister asking if he knows anything about it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:55 am 
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WOW! Awesome! This would be supercool as a Corsaga thing!

Maybe RDNZL and Inca Roads on Lost Episodes are from this. And maybe Canard du Jour. Maybe also as some basic tracks during the läther era?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:57 am 
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Soracha wrote:
Maybe RDNZL and Inca Roads on Lost Episodes are from this.


No. Those were written pieces.

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Another thought: Since this is from the end of 1972, that jam session could have been the inspiration for the 1973 Ponty band. Some of the stuff on Over-nite Sensation and Apostrophe could also be from there.

Maybe, maybe not. The possibility exists!

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jaypfunk wrote:
Soracha wrote:
Maybe RDNZL and Inca Roads on Lost Episodes are from this.


No. Those were written pieces.


Yeah, I know. But maybe they tried those out also.

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Soracha wrote:
jaypfunk wrote:
Soracha wrote:
Maybe RDNZL and Inca Roads on Lost Episodes are from this.


No. Those were written pieces.


Yeah, I know. But maybe they tried those out also.


Uh... no!!

"no charts, and nobody even said we'll play this or that, we just turned the tape recorder on and started cranking away."

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:20 pm 
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Man I hope that Joe can shed some additional info on this.

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This just HAS to be released at some point! :twisted:

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Since FZ doesn't seem to have released much (if anything) from this, maybe it wasn't that good. Still curious about it.


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Seems pretty excited about it in the interview. I think its more likely the sound quality isn't great given the transducer/quad experimentalness of it all or not wanting to pigeonholed after GW and WJ it sat unreleased until it was largely forgotten.

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pbuzby wrote:
Since FZ doesn't seem to have released much (if anything) from this, maybe it wasn't that good. Still curious about it.

i think FZ always have something new to do and don t mind the old projects, look at lather or finer moments


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pbuzby wrote:
Since FZ doesn't seem to have released much (if anything) from this, maybe it wasn't that good. Still curious about it.


He also did not release Crush All Boxes, Resolver+Brutality or Roxy By Proxy ... to name a few.

Anyway, this one also makes me curious; though it probably doesn't have any music on it http://www.lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/w ... ml#kennedy


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brunofulax wrote:
pbuzby wrote:
Since FZ doesn't seem to have released much (if anything) from this, maybe it wasn't that good. Still curious about it.


He also did not release Crush All Boxes, Resolver+Brutality or Roxy By Proxy ... to name a few.


True although he did incorporate parts of Crush All Boxes (as well as Lather and Finer Moments) into later releases.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:32 am 
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This really does sound like a perfect candidate for the Joe's release criteria. Here's hoping we hear back....

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This is nothing short of a revelation!!


What happened to UNCLE MEAT though??????......


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I'm amazed that the misconception of "RDNZL" and "Inca Roads" (The Lost Episodes editions) being recorded in 1972 still persists, even though it's been established that both pieces come from Spring '73 (listen to the earliest live versions of "RDNZL" and you'll hear how provisional they sound in comparison to "The Lost Episodes" versions).

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Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
I'm amazed that the misconception of "RDNZL" and "Inca Roads" (The Lost Episodes editions) being recorded in 1972 still persists, even though it's been established that both pieces come from Spring '73 (listen to the earliest live versions of "RDNZL" and you'll hear how provisional they sound in comparison to "The Lost Episodes" versions).


Are you sure? In the CD booklet it says 1972?

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mistrijah wrote:
Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
I'm amazed that the misconception of "RDNZL" and "Inca Roads" (The Lost Episodes editions) being recorded in 1972 still persists, even though it's been established that both pieces come from Spring '73 (listen to the earliest live versions of "RDNZL" and you'll hear how provisional they sound in comparison to "The Lost Episodes" versions).


Are you sure? In the CD booklet it says 1972?


FZ's memory for dates was bad by the time he did the liner notes for that release. According to Musician's Union reports "RDNZL" and "Inca Roads" were recorded early April 1973.


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pbuzby wrote:
mistrijah wrote:
Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
I'm amazed that the misconception of "RDNZL" and "Inca Roads" (The Lost Episodes editions) being recorded in 1972 still persists, even though it's been established that both pieces come from Spring '73 (listen to the earliest live versions of "RDNZL" and you'll hear how provisional they sound in comparison to "The Lost Episodes" versions).


Are you sure? In the CD booklet it says 1972?


FZ's memory for dates was bad by the time he did the liner notes for that release. According to Musician's Union reports "RDNZL" and "Inca Roads" were recorded early April 1973.


I would probably pin it even somewhere between 11th and 23rd of March: simply because Sal Marquez did not play on these songs and both tunes had provisional elements when performed up until the 11th of March gig (one section double-speed in RDNZL and 4/4 solo vamp in Inca).

And yes, FZ' memory wasn't too good by the end of it. He clearly thought the Oct-Dec '73 was "the early days of the 1973 band". So the JLP ensemble for him was still '72.

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pbuzby wrote:
brunofulax wrote:
pbuzby wrote:
Since FZ doesn't seem to have released much (if anything) from this, maybe it wasn't that good. Still curious about it.


He also did not release Crush All Boxes, Resolver+Brutality or Roxy By Proxy ... to name a few.


True although he did incorporate parts of Crush All Boxes (as well as Lather and Finer Moments) into later releases.

The guy (sorry but i don`t remember the name) that mixed the crush all boxes in the interview also talk about another unreleased album without name that lies in the vault


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pbuzby wrote:
Since FZ doesn't seem to have released much (if anything) from this

Cannot Canard Du Jour come from this sessions?


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balint wrote:
pbuzby wrote:
Since FZ doesn't seem to have released much (if anything) from this

Cannot Canard Du Jour come from this sessions?


Checking IINK I see it lists Canard as being from circa August 1972 Paramount Studios in L.A., so perhaps this is indeed from this mystery jam session.


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This may be a thread somewhere, but it would be worth having a contest or a battle or whatever - what is the vote on which was Frank's best year overall (live and in the studio). 1973, 1967 or 1980 I can't decide...

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