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 Post subject: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:02 am 
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Did you attend the ZPZ show with Dream Theater at the Molson Amphitheater in Toronto?

Dweezil and the band love reading your reviews.

Please do not post in this thread if you did not attend the show.

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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:08 am 
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Here's the set list:

Dweezel says "and somethings that may surprise you" as they launched into a a few bars of Kashmir...
Purple Lagoon
Zombie Woof
Montana
Village of the Sun
Echidna's Arf (of You)
[Don't You Ever Wash That Thing]
My Guitar Wants to Kill your Mama
Inca roads
Pound for a Brown (w/improvs)
Bobby brown (w/Mike Portnoy on vocals and tatoo)
Willie the Pimp (w/Dweezel's nod to Rush)

I'm not familiar with Dream Theatre (except for the DSotM bootleg) so I kept thinking "This is Spinal Tap". The die hard fans seemed to enjoy it tho.

Fourth time that I've seen Dweezel and Zappa Plays Zappa but missed Aaron Arntz on keyboards. Ben Thomas on vocals has a range between Frank on Montana to Ray White on Inca Roads. Definitely worth seeing again and again...

Accept no substitutes!

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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:43 am 
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one addition to the previous post is "Don't you ever wash that thing " at song #6 ... anyway ...

my 12th ZpZ show, my third show in the last 50 or so days. I was fortunate to find my name on the ZpZ guest list for this show and must thank everyone who made this possible ... you know who you are

This is my third show with Ben and without Ray and Aaron. I am truly a Ben fan, he is a great fit into the ensemble, he is improving daily, Dweezil must be working him hard. Speaking of working hard Scheila the master of everything, sax solos were amazing as always, the appreciative crowd showed Scheila the love. It should be noted that Scheila also looks better and better each time I have the priveledge of attending a ZpZ show. (How are your lists going anyway Scheila? am I moving up, with a bullet?) Pete as always rocking the ampitheatre, the only thunder in Toronto was Pete (unlike numerous Buffalo shows), Billy ... billy is the mountain ... on top of his game. I watched a little girl must have been no more than 3 dancing in her chair everytime Billy showcased his talents. Joe Travers, I loved his lil tribute to "the professor on drums" not wasted on the Toronto fans but what can you say about Joe ... perhaps he's F'n amazing will suffice. ...

Now to Jamie F'n Kime I am such a JFK fan, everytime I watch Jamie play I am amazed at how smooth and skilled he is. I hope one day to attend the baked Potato and catch jamie on a Monday nite. It really is a pleasure to watch jamie strut his stuff, as have the rest of the band really stepped up and shining taking the band to new heights of excellence ......... But thanks Jamie I owe ya a beer or two or ......

On to DZ, thanks for the nod during the show and thanks again for what you do! and the ZFT ... i hope you are back here soon.

A much younger crowd than I have seen at most ZpZ shows, and ZpZ actually reached out and grabbed many of the young audience by the balls! they were that good ... In honour of my guest list appearance I stood during the entire ZpZ set and many of the young audience joined us, many asked questions, many felt something .... I was unsure of whether this format would be a good platform for ZpZ but I have no doubts now Dweezil you are doing it, getting through, spreading the word and the music ... maybe it's just relevance and acceptance ... Franks music remains relevant all these years later and perhaps today it can achieve the acceptance franks music deserves.

Thanks again to everyone involved tonight, I can't tell you how much fun I had, it was an honour to be your guest.

thanks to Glynn for the set list ... though we missed you at the pub :( .... next time!

MUSIC IS THE BEST! come back soon

Phil


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:34 pm 
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Setlist correction...

Echidna's Arf (of You)
>DON'T YOU EVER WASH THAT THING?
My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
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Incredible journey. I can never remember the setlists to concerts that I have attended over the years but I remember the vibe. This one goes down in solid stone in my memory. I missed every opportunity to see FZ in my hay days, but I'm positive Mr. Zappa would lovingly approve of this tour. The band was flawless (as expected), magnanimous, and larger than life (nice touch with the RIP LP). I could have listened to them all night, although that would be cruel based on the obvious effort each and every artist displayed. I listened to some comments from some young and under exposed chaps behind me who it seemed, actually got it. Don't know if the band really reads this crap, but thanks for reminding me of all the pleasures I had listening to the wry lyrics and pure artistry of the music.


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
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OK ok... you guys are technically correct. I've always thought of the three songs as "Side Two" of "Roxy and Elsewhere", so I loved the fact that they played it straight through to "the truth". (correct me if I'm wrong.) The only thing missing is Frank's preamble.

I've been humming that whole passage since I bought the vinyl... and have been waiting for Joe and Dweezel to finish fixing up the audio/video sync so we can finally have Frank's Roxy DVD.

They will be playing "side two" at my funeral... you guys coming? ;-)

Hey, Pepperpete... run! don't walk and buy the DVD - you won't be disappointed. It's made up of two ZPZ shows in 2006 (?) and is definitely worth every cent.

BTW I've always wondered what "Echidna" means so I Googled it. According to Wikipedia she was "a female monster spawned in a cave, who mothered with her mate Typhoeus (or Typhon) every major horrible monster in the Greek myths". Which finally makes sense knowing what little we can know of Frank. Discuss... (the myth, not the mammal)


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
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and just some waking memories .... DZ's Rush tribute was cool some old familiar riffs, memories of the YCFOSA tour when Dweezil showcased his homage to the 3 travellers, men of willowdale. Dweezil was smiling and watching his ensemble all night. As always DZ was smiling and truly enjoying the moment. Often DZ was "in the moment" creating soundscapes which awed the young audience.

the entire band amazed all night ... and again thanks for an amazing experience


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
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my take on the show is a little different,was good,not great better than expected. due to the absense of a 2nd keyboard player(which i think they need) and also with the new vocalist i expected the worse. thankfully the new vocalist was minimal(i wonder what he would do if there were no towels?) they weren't bad vocals just not what i have expected over my past 35 years of fz listening and seeing live.
sheila is and was great as were all band members but they all looked un-happy and didn't seem to be having fun.
the song selection was again ok,nothing really special and un-expected. i would have preferred a longer zpz set and none of the other acts but hey thats just me folks, and it took 3 count em 3 victory prima pils to get that awefull tatse of the 1 heneiken i had..
ps:did i mention i hate the molson armpit?
pps: balding middle age,fanny pack wearing,sensible shoe wearing men should not be playing air guitar,its just embarrasing
ppps: so in a nut shell it was just an average show but i am glad everyone enjoyed thenselves.

oh and an echidna is an egg laying mammal from australia...just an fyi.


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
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[quote="eric hasler"]pps: balding middle age,fanny pack wearing,sensible shoe wearing men should not be playing air guitar,its just embarrasing [/quote]


Agreed and seconded!


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:06 pm 
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I have just had the good fortune of seeing my 15th ZPZ show at Toronto’s Molson Amphitheater, bringing me full circle, as the very first ZPZ show I attended was at the Former Hummingbird Centre (now Sony Centre) in Toronto back in 2006.

1 Toronto ON - Hummingbird Center for Performing Arts - June 16 2006
2 Buffalo NY - UBCFA - October 23 2007
3 Ashville NC - Thomas Wolfe Auditorium - August 11 2007
4 Buffalo NY - Town Ballroom - November 6 2007
5 Kitchener ON - Elements Club - July 4 2008
6 Buffalo NY - Thursday at the Square - August 7 2008
7 Toronto ON - Mod Club - October 22 2008 - YCFOSA
8 Toronto ON - Mod Club - October 23 2008 - YCFOSA
9 Harrisburg PA - Whitaker Center - October 28, 2008
10 Buffalo NY - Thursday at the Square - July 2 2009
11 Cleveland OH - HOB - July 3 2009
12 Pittsburgh PA - Diesel - July 7 2009
13 NYC - Beacon Theater - August 9 2009 - Prog Nation w Dream Theater
14 Burlington VT - Higher Ground - August 10 2009
15 Toronto On - Molson Amphitheater - August 14 2009 - Prog Nation w Dream Theater

In that span of time I have witnessed the band grow, strengthen and change a few personnel. I have musically grown and expanded my knowledge, interest and enthusiasm for Franks music, (as well as my Frank cd/dvd & shirt collection). I have seen the fan base growing slowly and organically by adding newer, younger and more female fans into the fold alongside the long time, stalwart, mostly male fans from “back in the day.”

Dweezils’ goal of spreading and re-spreading his fathers’ music to not only prevent it from disappearing, but also to bring it to the fresh ears of legions of newer, younger and more diverse fans is coming into fruition. His vision, dedication and perseverance to this ethos seems to be beginning to snowball. It is a slow, organic process but patience, persistence and the demand for excellence is paying off. It doesn’t hurt that DZ comes across as a humble, down to earth, genuinely nice guy who acknowledges and appreciates his, and his father’s fans. Yes, his fans. Count me as one. There’s no denying Frank was a monster in his musical prowess, but Dweezil has grown some pretty scary teeth, in that regard, as well.

Even though I’ve witnessed similar scenes across my 15 shows, it really struck me at this most recent Burlington VT show what a decent guy DZ is. There must have been 50 or 60 people at the front of the stage, all clamoring for signatures, photos and the opportunity to relay some relevant story or personal remembrance of Frank, the music or some previous concert experience. Dweezil patiently hung in there until every last fan was satisfied. Even one particular guy who went on and on and on and on and on about technical shop talk related to recording equipment and methodology and stage guitar rig set up. As a few of the remaining fans rolled their eyes and waited their turn for a moment with Dweezil, he never once even batted an eye or tried to shoo this guy away.

The few opportunities I’ve had to shake his hand, get some memento signed or snap a photo, DZ was gracious and accommodating. Good dude, that young man.

While attending the recent Pittsburgh show, I had the opportunity to inquire about the then upcoming Progressive Nation tour, and how the ZPZ slot would play out. While I would always love a longer ZPZ set, DZ mentioned that the band would be off for some period of time after that tour, which influenced me to see a couple of those shows, since it seemed it may be some time before I get another ZPZ fix, somewhere down the road.

I really dug that experience as well. I had never seen Dream Theater before, and was only barely familiar with them. I have always been a bit of a prog fan ( mostly Yes & a few others), but never much of a metal fan apart from a little Metallica & others if I had a need to bang my head a little. After seeing DT twice now, I can say I will surely make an effort to see them if they come to my little town (Buffalo NY). So, Dweezil’s desire to expose new fans to Franks music, also somewhat worked in reverse as well. Perhaps some of the old Frankophiles will lend an ear to some Dream Theater as well.

Mike Portnoy was a gas. As much of a guitar fan as I am, I watched this guy pretty closely during their set. What a great drummer and truly entertaining character. This guy had me in stitches when I wasn’t marveling at his drumming prowess. When he came out at the Beacon and sang Bobby Brown with ZPZ, I nearly lost my mind. His stage presence, confidence, sense of humor, delivery and vocal quality really brought that song to life even more than it has on its’ own. Mike has that Frank swagger, and sarcastic biting wit that just oozes old school zappa. (I’m guessing – I never actually saw Frank in person, sadly – only on video). Now don’t get me wrong, I really like the addition of Ben, and he fits nicely into what Dweezil is trying to accomplish here overall with the youth movement, or as he puts it, his “rockin’ teenage combo,” but Mike Portnoy brings that little extra something-somethin that screams Frank. My buddy and I asked DZ after the Burlington show if, Mike would be singing Bobby Brow again in Toronto, and he said he wasn’t sure since the Beacon thing was rather impromptu, but it was a possibility. When Mike did come out again in Toronto, my buddy and I just looked at each other with huge shit eating grins and said yeah!-sweet!! It would be cool for DZ to bring Mike Portnoy into the fold on occasion as perhaps a special guest at a special show, like Halloween or something. Speaking of which, even though Dweezil said the band will have some down time for a bit, I’m hoping a 2009 Halloween show is in the works!

I have to share this little tidbit as well. I noticed this at the Beacon to a degree, but I saw this happen in Toronto in droves and waves. Now I must admit, I didn’t see any of the opening bands on the Prog tour, since seeing ZPZ was the whole mission. We only stayed for Dream Theater because, well, we already paid the money, we were there and WTF, why not expand the ol horizons a bit and see what all the fuss is about. As I said before, based on the two shows I saw, I would go see DT again. Anyway, when ZPZ began their set, the hardcore DT fans were like; “yeah whatever.” Then they were like; “What the fuck IS this?!” Then; “hey this ain’t so bad.” Then, “ya know, this shit is pretty good.” Then; “This shit is really fuckin good.” To finally, on their feet, fists in the air; screaming their fool heads off; “This is fuckin AWESOME!!!” It was really funny to watch the transformation. It’s like the tide rolled in and washed the crowd over in Zappa bliss and they began to understand. Newly acquired fans? You betcha! I love it when a plan comes together!

I know I’m definitely on the bus…..for life….thanks to Dweezils’ efforts.

I went on and on in previous posts from past shows about my former ignorance of Frank and some misconceptions based on the nature of the music business and how it’s presented and promoted.

I still consider myself a Frank novice, but my record collection is slowly growing. My goal is to eventually get it all, but I want to savor and appreciate each new acquisition as I go. I may be late to the party, but better late than never.

I’m not sure if DZ and the band reads these posts, but I’ll throw in a shameless plug and sincere offer to the family trust, so the rest of you can bail out here, lest I bore you to death or make you hurt yourself by rolling your eyes too far into the back of your head.

I’m a 45 year old male, unemployed just a day or two over one year, from an engineering position with an Automotive Electronics manufacturing company I held for 19 years, until they decided to move all operations overseas. They gave me a decent severance package and between that and a few other tidbits of unemployment and savings, I’m doin’ ok financially. Not swimming in luxury, but holding on well enough. I have no kids or mortgage to hold me down, so I thankfully don’t have the same concerns as most folks have. To be honest, I haven’t even looked very diligently for new work in my old field.

Dweezil has stated in the past, that due to his busy touring schedule, family responsibilities and not having a staff of folks to get things done, things like the YCFOSA downloads, etc., are taking a significant effort to move along expediently.

I’d be happy to forward a resume, if anyone in the DZ/ZPZ camp thinks an extra set of helping hands would help facilitate any behind the scenes activities requiring more attention. There must be linkage to my email address somewhere in the bowels of this forum, accessible by the administrator. I’m not seeking an engineering wage, and frankly don’t have a desire to return to industry in the same capacity as I once was for 2 years in an aerospace company and another 19 in the automotive industry. Time for something new and fresh.

Now you could ask; “How does a test engineer / department manager in the auto industry relate to the music industry?” or, “What knowledge or skills do you possess in the music industry?” or, “What qualifies you to think you can be of any use to the Zappa organization?”

The answers to the first two questions are; “It doesn’t,” and “None,” respectively. The answer to the last question is; “I’m not sure, but after 21 years in engineering and the last few in department management, I must have a couple of brain cells left to rub together with the ability to be redirected into something useful to someone, and I think I’m trainable.”

I’d be happy to fly out to wherever, and discuss any potential help I could be to further the cause.

Is this a foolhardy, blind shot in the dark that would elicit little more than a “yeah right, buddy – keep dreamin.”? Absolutely. But as my dearly departed mother used to say; “Nothing ventured, nothing gained.”

Regards,

Jeff


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
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It was a breathtaking performance. I gotta hand it to Dweezil; when you only have a 75 minute set, make it mostly instrumentals and everyone will still be astonished. I think I'd rather have a download of this show but I'm still waiting patiently for last October's Mod Club gig. Perhaps during the downtime it will all get caught up. Thanks to all for a fantastic evening.

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Joe: see if you can find (and release) Frank's show in Toronto Autumn 1977 (Maple Leaf Gardens), where Flo & Eddie came on during one of the encores. It was a magical night. You could tell Frank was really enjoying himself immensely. (additional gtr solo after having just finished up one, about to say "G'night" and changing his mind on a dime to play yet another song, etc)

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any chance of 200 Motels on DVD?


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 Post subject: Re: 14 August 2009: Toronto, ON
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Anybody going to the cruise jam? Sounds interesting and fun. I know that DZ has done guest appearances at Fender University, but to hang out on a boat and catch 2 shows would be kinda cool.


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